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Coronavirus: What happens with flu in 2020, 2021 and 2022?
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    Overall worldwide, seasonal influenza is around 98% lower this year than in earlier flu seasons.

    WHO spokesperson Dr. Sylvie Briand recently claimed that “literally there was nearly no flu in the Southern Hemisphere” in 2020, adding:

    “We hope that the situation will be the same in the Northern Hemisphere at end of this flu season".

    Right wing sites try to explain it that all flu is being counted as COVID, that makes very little sense.

    In reality we have much better explanation - all recent previous flu seasons also had artificial origin (instead of bird origin promoted by official science) and without artificial virus injection in large cities agglomerations we don't see any flu. At least it can simple explain what exactly 24/7 had been produced on bio weapons labs and factories that each developer nation has.

    How important are flu like viruses? Very important - as they themselves and complications from them are cause of death for 80% of people above 70 years. Some science modelling showed that full elimination of such viruses will add 5-7 years of additional life for 75+ people.

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  • @majoraxis

    We have post about this in main topic. Is it flu related?

  • The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on COVID mortality and had a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

    Researchers at Johns Hopkins University have concluded that lockdowns have done little to reduce COVID deaths but have had “devastating effects” on economies and numerous social ills.

    The study, titled “A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality,” said lockdowns in Europe and the U.S. reduced COVID-19 deaths by 0.2 percent.

    Shelter-in-place orders were also ineffective, reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%, the study said.

    “We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” the researchers wrote in the report, issued Monday.

    The study concluded that lockdowns “are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”

    “They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report said.

    The study was written by Jonas Herby, Lars Jonung and Steve H. Hanke of the Johns Hopkins Institute for Applied Economics, Global Health and the Study of Business Enterprise.

    https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2022-02-02/a-johns-hopkins-study-says-ill-founded-lockdowns-did-little-to-limit-covid-deaths

  • @firstbase

    The branding strategy of calling what 90% of us always referred to as the flu or a cold is now a "novel coronavirus / covid-19" with exotic variant names designed to elicit fear and promote an agenda that leaves us all guessing as to the degree of its severity on humanity.

    I fully oppose this right wing sites theories, that can't hold even simplest check.

  • It's all part of the scam. The branding strategy of calling what 90% of us always referred to as the flu or a cold is now a "novel coronavirus / covid-19" with exotic variant names designed to elicit fear and promote an agenda that leaves us all guessing as to the degree of its severity on humanity.

    There will be more. The agenda hasn't been completed yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually resurrect the old Andromeda strain and claim this virus actually originated from outer space to create even more fear.

    We have enough empirical evidence now to suggest strongly that these inoculations, the ingredients for which we do not know completely, are neither safe nor effective.* Yet the push to inoculate continues. To me, logic dictates that there's something else in these inoculations that we are not completely privy to. The fact that Bill Gates is pushing them so hard obviously causes head scratching.

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  • The symptoms of the omicron strain in those who have previously had other forms of COVID-19 resemble SARS.

    Those who are re-infected in the case of omicron show body aches, sore throats, headaches and fever.

    So, no way to differentiate this from flu now.

    Also note that all flu origins and spreading theories that had been "proven" turned to be totally false by practice, and most probably (around 98% probability) theory now is that flu strains had been initially injected in large cities by governments and corporations. As no other explanation is left for flu absence. COVID just requires 100% of all available spreading resources, so flu stand no chances.

  • After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives. ...

    In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.

    This is very suspicious.

  • In early September, Russia traditionally launched a flu vaccination campaign. As in the previous year, the authorities announced plans to vaccinate at least 60% of the population; in risk groups, Rospotrebnadzor expects to vaccinate at least 75% of Russians. Such indicators are due, among other things, to the fact that a higher circulation of influenza is predicted in this epidemiological season.

    Flu vaccination always had been ideal corruption thing, as COVID showed that they lack real capacity to vaccinate even 20% in a month. Despite reporting vaccinating 50% against flu in weeks before :-)

  • Immediately after the Rosh Hashanah holiday, the flu vaccination will begin in Israel. According to Channel 20 ITV, the Clalit Health Insurance Fund has purchased 1.3 million doses of vaccinations against four strains of influenza and will vaccinate them starting at 6 months of age. The ticket office also purchased 20,000 live intranasal influenza virus vaccines suitable for clients aged 2 to 49 years.

    Particular emphasis will be placed on people at risk and on children under 12 who cannot yet be vaccinated against coronavirus.

    Flu vaccinations will be given at special sites that will be allocated at coronavirus vaccination points, as well as in women's and children's health centers and in the Tipat Halav system of postnatal medicine.

    In the first winter of the corona-crisis, the usual flu wave for the cold season did not rise due to social distancing and wearing masks. However, after the winter in Israeli hospitals, more and more people began to appear infected with new strains of influenza.

    Interesting is that almost all countries want to make massive flu vaccination this year.

    It seems like infection spreaders have enough time because delta variant can spread nice by itself.

  • We don't have flu, but will have mandatory vaccine soon

    SIC Gamaleya is developing a vaccine against influenza type A, influenza type B and COVID-19.

    "The method of vaccine administration proposed by the present inventors, which consists in the simultaneous administration of the vaccine intranasally and intramuscularly in effective amounts to the subject, allows the rapid induction of intense immunity to influenza type A, influenza type B and COVID-19 simultaneously in the upper and lower respiratory tract. administration (both intranasal and intramuscular), within the framework of the described invention, means the introduction of the vaccine in one vaccination procedure in different places - in the nasal cavity and in the body region suitable for intramuscular administration, while for each area of ​​administration, medical devices are used once (for example, a syringe with a needle for intramuscular administration and another syringe with a spray nozzle or an ophthalmic pipette - for intranasal). "

  • Again Mordor situation

    During the period of coronavirus, people began to get sick less from influenza, SARS, as well as numerous seasonal infections.

    The department notes that vaccine-preventable infections have been detected less frequently. Thus, the number of cases of whooping cough decreased 2.4 times, measles - 3.7 times, rubella - 14.3 times, mumps - 2.3 times, meningococcal infection - 2.2 times, chickenpox - by 40.3 percent, acute hepatitis B - 38.5 percent, tick-borne viral encephalitis - 44.5 percent.

    It sounds like revolution.

    Many diseases receded into the background in France, Spain, and the USA. Statistics from around the world say that in the COVID-19 pandemic, a variety of airborne viral infections have all but disappeared.

    And it is very strange. Makes you thinks twice that may be most of this infections had been artificially spread in the population.

  • It is real fun now in Mordor

    The regions were offered to vaccinate at least 60% of the population against influenza. A flu shot should be given no earlier than a month after vaccination against COVID-19.

    Rospotrebnadzor recommended the regions to vaccinate against influenza in the new season 2021-2022 at least 60% of the population. The draft document was published on the portal of draft regulatory legal acts.

    The draft specifies that from among those included in the risk groups, which are determined by the national immunization schedule, it is planned to vaccinate against influenza at least 75%.

    But we still don't have even single guy with flu this year. It just vanished like fart.

  • Moderna gave its mRNA-based seasonal flu vaccine to the first set of volunteers in a clinical trial, the pharmaceutical company announced today.

    Wait, wait, what?

    It means that flu is reserved for some next COVID act?

    https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-first-participant-dosed-phase-12-study-its

  • Still totally absent

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  • Some nice news from CDC

    “Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, this system will suspend data collection for the 2020-21 influenza season.”

    https://www.wakingtimes.com/cdc-announces-they-will-be-rolling-back-collection-of-flu-data-during-the-2020-2021-season/

  • If remember right 2019 they introduced Cov2 as a LESS infectious but more dangerous than influenza. Direct comparison should then not explain why influenza is disappearing.

  • Report from Netherlands

    The flu in the winter of 2020-2021 evaporated: it was not found in any sample of tests taken for research on covid.

  • Another new theory I heard considering flu in 2020/2021.

    Today COVID vaccines are more profitable and market position is much more important, but companies use lot of equipment that they used for flu vaccines (including cold storage), only in few stages, but it is enough to be unable to make flu vaccines.

    This is why large pharma and government ordered total stop on flu spreading (in addition to few other reasons making it much harder).

  • If we analyze the situation that is happening now, not only in dark snowy Mordor, but also in bright green European countries and on a global scale, then we can safely say that this has not happened in the entire history of influenza surveillance, that is, since the 40s of the last century. ...

    If by April there is no surge in the incidence of influenza, then we can talk about the first epidemiological season in the history of observations, somewhere since the 40s of the twentieth century, which passed without this disease, noted the deputy director for scientific work, head of the department of etiology and epidemiology of the Research Institute of Influenza Smorodintseva Daria Danilenko. She said that the almost complete absence of the influenza virus this season is a unique phenomenon. “If we analyze the situation that is happening now, not only in Russia, but also in European countries, and on a global scale, we can safely say that this was not the case. in the entire history of influenza surveillance, that is, since the 40s of the last century. "

    She is confident that the situation is related to the spread of coronavirus, however, the full range of reasons has yet to be clarified. The doctor noted that the incidence of influenza begins to rise in the period from the end of December, and the epidemic season ends around the end of March or early April.

    There are two weeks left until the beginning of April, and if nothing changes, then we can summarize that in this epidemic season, we will not see the circulation of the virus.

  • @AndrewReid_EOSHD

    If you are on lockdown with flu symptoms, you do not even ring a doctor unless you have serious trouble with breathing. Then, it's most likely to be coronavirus and off you go to the hospital. How are they supposed to record accurate flu statistics under such circumstances?

    It is also common mass media version. But it does not stand any real check.

    Here it is no problem to call for doctor to visit you at home, you'll get visit within hours (system actually became much better during late 2020 after facing huge coronavirus hit with record calls). And people do not wait for something bad to happen as they need papers for their workplace anyway. Yes, and it is no flu this year, I talked to 3 doctors working on quite large area here.

    The coronavirus stats are independent from all media sources. You can easily compare the dates of lockdowns and compare lockdown rule severity and see the correlation with coronavirus statistics.

    You came with such stupid proclamations and not knowing that PV has posts and publications since January 2020 about coronavirus with all stats in detail.

  • Oh mighty scholar.

    I don't watch CNN and don't read the NYT. The coronavirus stats are independent from all media sources. You can easily compare the dates of lockdowns and compare lockdown rule severity and see the correlation with coronavirus statistics. If you are on lockdown with flu symptoms, you do not even ring a doctor unless you have serious trouble with breathing. Then, it's most likely to be coronavirus and off you go to the hospital. How are they supposed to record accurate flu statistics under such circumstances?

  • @AndrewReid_EOSHD

    Andrew, it is like I am talking with live version of CNN or NYT :-)

    You literally reply me with mass media headlines, just collected over some timeframe.

  • The lockdowns did do what they promised initially.

    See the highest coronavirus death rates in countries which had the most relaxed rules. USA, Brazil.

    Even Sweden.

    The death rates and case numbers in Sweden are in excess of their neighbouring nordic countries with their strict lockdowns aren't they? In China the original lockdowns were very strictly enforced. Was coronavirus a problem there afterwards? Doesn't seem like it. No more emergency hospital construction.

    The flu cases may not even be recorded. Doesn't mean to say they're not there. If you have a runny nose and flu, you're not going to be running down to the doctor at a time like this. Only shortness of breath and covid symptoms will you be going anywhere near a hospital and only then does the stat tick up for flu or covid.

    If Taiwan hadn't reacted in January 2020 very early with strict quarantine at the border and most advanced track & trace system in the world then they'd have needed a lockdown like anywhere else. I only wish now that the British government would have been that effective and clued-up so early on. Ours was a shambles... And neither quarantine or track & trace currently functions 1 year later.

    In New Zealand and South Korea, more successful examples of countries where coronavirus has been brought to heel by strict controls and government policies.

    In many countries it has been a lockdown-lite, or stupid policies, like in Germany from June-November. This is why the full lockdown is once again needed now, but judging from the traffic on the road and people on the street nobody gives a shit anymore about rules. They have lost faith in the government.

  • @AndrewReid_EOSHD

    Are you saying strict lockdowns don't work to control COVID? Not even a little bit? Sorry but that is nonsense.

    Are you talking with yourself, as you invented that no one said and debunked your own saying.

    Lockdown measures such as the closure of borders on an island such as Taiwan or New Zealand along with quarantine hotels have helped to almost eradicate COVID from such countries. Look at the death stats.

    Yet lockdowns failed to do that they initially promised with almost every big country.

    Of course normal flu and influenza is being pushed down at a greater rate than COVID by the lockdowns. Nowhere near as contagious. Potentially also, COVID has become the dominant strain vs normal flu this season, and in those unlucky enough to get both flu and COVID, the hospitals are not going to record the normal flu - only COVID.

    This is "common logic" talk, as if we go back, we see lot of infectionists and specialist talking opposite - that flu distribution will be even higher than usual due to weak immune system and the to simple fact that hospitals and any doctor visit places are now full with people with lungs issues.

    Masks in Asian countries are not used by 100% of the public during normal times or even 80%. It is common to see only those currently with a cold or flu using a mask in public. Maybe 5-10% of people in a crowded train.

    In Japan and China in dig density cities it had been much more than even 30% during flu seasons (in transport, in some workplaces and few similar places).

  • Are you saying strict lockdowns don't work to control COVID? Not even a little bit? Sorry but that is nonsense.

    Look at the actual data, and correlation with lockdown measures. Available for all countries here: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=GBR~CAN~DEU~FRA&region=World&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc

    Lockdown measures such as the closure of borders on an island such as Taiwan or New Zealand along with quarantine hotels have helped to almost eradicate COVID from such countries. Look at the death stats.

    The fall and rise of COVID cases can be seen directly falling as a result of a lockdown in countries like the UK and directly raising again afterwards when one is lifted, again in the UK due to government incompetence starting December 2nd 2020 in London. The first of the second-wave lockdowns in November temporarily prevented the out of control situation we got later, and should have been continued. These are absolutely necessary and scientifically justified to prevent hospital ICU wards going into complete meltdown.

    Of course normal flu and influenza is being pushed down at a greater rate than COVID by the lockdowns. Nowhere near as contagious. Potentially also, COVID has become the dominant strain vs normal flu this season, and in those unlucky enough to get both flu and COVID, the hospitals are not going to record the normal flu - only COVID.

    Masks in Asian countries are not used by 100% of the public during normal times or even 80%. It is common to see only those currently with a cold or flu using a mask in public. Maybe 5-10% of people in a crowded train.

  • What ? Distancing and masks work better for influenza. Thats common sense.

    Asian countries had almost same mask usage in transport and mass places and yet results are not same as this year.

    Everyone is sitting at home.

    No, I showed charts of how activity mostly restored (Goolge collect this using smartphones). In some cities public transport have issues still, but also recovering, in many others it recovered to 90-98%.

    The flu has an R0 value of 1.3, which means each person with the flu transmits it to between one and two people. Researchers are still determining the R0 for COVID-19

    I just told you that your model does not work, it never worked with flu and never worked with COVID.

    Model where this R0 is used is lazy and mostly useless outside very uniform controlled groups.

    If someone after one year discusses with all seriousness that R0 can be 2 or 3 or 6 - it is useless shit you must forget.