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  • @apefos AVCHD 24Mbps 4:2:0 is not so bad?!.. in 8.000 (!!) dollar camera! That was a joke, right?!

    You saw a raw low light footage from the camera that you are telling here the high ISO is clean? You know for sure it´s the same sensor as C300?

  • @endotoxic: With a much better sensor, great dynamic range, great lowlight, proper LOG profiles, built in ND-filters and working EF-mount. So an FS700 missing the SDI, high speed and 4K compabilities, or twice the price of a Blackmagic but still only AVCHD. I don't hate it as much as others do... But it's still way overpriced. If Canon dropped the price to $4000 (making it a competitor to FS100) and the C300 to compete with the FS700, then yes!

  • I wish people would stop comparing the C100 to BMCC or kineraw. Different animals aimed at a very different audience.

    The C100 (rumoured to hit streets at $6K) is more competition to the FS100 than FS700. I'd take a C100 over an FS100 any day for broadcast, documentary, reality run and gun stuff. Superior form factor and build in NDs.

    I agree Canon could have done better but I really don't understand the outright hate for this camera. If the image is similar to the C300 and the HDMI outputs 422 8bit I can see lots of production companies interested in this camera. Especially those who only shoot 24p or 30p.

  • hahaha... that was pretty funny canon. But please release the real specs now please. :)

  • @stonebat yeah, need to know a lot more about the performance, so I'm far away from preordering ;) And I really don't understand why there is only one "low bitrate" option in codec, when even the 5d mk3 have options for intra - and 720p. We can hope Canon finds out they need to address those issues in firmware (but then they have to do that for the C300 first - and again this is Canon, so I'm not too optimistic..)

  • I like this camera. AVCHD 24Mbps 420 is not so bad. It can be upresized to 422 10bit with cineform neoscene with great results and great to post production. The sensor is bigger than FS100, something about 1.5x crop factor. It can use Nikon mount lenses. It is small and portable, it seems the LCD screen is in the back and there are nd filters. Also the 8.3megapixels sensor downsized to 1080p is perfect image quality. Also high iso is clean. I think the 1080 60i can be deinterlaced to 1080 60p with field interpolation to do slow motion and it will be almost the same quality as 720p upresized. Just expensive, price could be the same as FS100.

  • @evero Make sure that's true. Otherwise...

    image

    j/k :)

  • I'm actually tempted concidering form factor and (most probably) IQ out of the box. Specwise it can't beat the FS700, but in the end it's the handling and IQ that matters.. But it really annoys me with lack of 50/60p. And output options - the FS700 is much more futureproof..

    I understand that internal codec is 4:2:0 8-bit, but I can't find data about HDMI output. Maybe this would be 4:2:2 8 bit, like the FS700?

  • Let's lower the expectation from the company that says EOS-M is made for women.

    http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/canon-the-eos-m-is-made-for-women-no-plan-to-make-ff-mirrorless-for-now/

    You know... they have no plan whatsoever to make a pink body for real men who wanna possess a decent mirrorless.

  • What a pathetic joke. Does Canon really think that brand-loyalty is so strong that anyone will overlook such better options as the Blackmagic camera, the Kineraw, or even the FS700?

  • I think they just got the specs wrong. It was supposed to record 8K and instead of costing 8K.

  • on US page they claim Color Space 4:2:2 - but it looks like it was wishful thinking.

    http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/cinema_eos_cameras/eos_c100#Specifications

    Canon has a lot of nervs to bring 4:2:0 24mbps for 8k to the market in 2012. What would they do without their huge basis of professionals with EF lenses?

  • At this rate they need to start releasing negative model numbers to catch up to the price/performence ratio maybe C-300 :)

    All kidding aside - the overpricing and underspec'ing are almost comical. Desperate times call for desperate measures. But there are more than enough folks out there who just care about the brand that they just might sell enough of these ( with the obligatiry PB or Lafor'A' endorsement).

  • @last_SHIFT Yeah FS700 with it's killer slow mo and 4K upgrade option. I just never found FS100/700 footage to be aesthetically good, it has a very video feel to it. Canon should lower the C100 to at least $5K to compete.

    C100 + Atomos = C300? lol cheap option

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev Right, I guess I am enthusiastic for the C100 since if it uses the same sensor as C300 then we have good quality, good dynamic and low light performance.

    64 GB SD card = 5 hours 55 minutes of footage. Good bye time limit!

    Plus don't forget C100 will have the proper video tools such as waveform and RGB parade.

    I also like the small form factor.

  • THOSE features for the same price as an FS 700? I would like to have some of that stuff that Canon was smoking :-)

    Sensors and ASICs became so complex that it is now extra hard for them to move fast.
    It is interesting how electronics giants forced Canon and Nikon compete on their field.

    Plus it was to easy to kill C300 :-)

  • Only a blind fanboy could make an argument that is a good deal for that money - Epic Fail. THOSE features for the same price as an FS 700? I would like to have some of that stuff that Canon was smoking :-)

  • @retrospective

    Biggest issue is upcoming Sony NEX video camera. It is full frame, with APS-C crop mode and much much cheaper. Looking at the NEX cameras, it'll have much better EVF, and better or same screen, plus it'll have 50p/60p for certain.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev

    This camera would have been really cool about 6 years ago.

  • Considering that it has XLR audio inputs, ND filters, Canon LOG and low bitrate AVCHD(file size won't be as demanding). It may be attractive to a lot of users. You can shoot with the camera right away without any other accessories required like cage, mattebox, etc... of course you need a lens.

    The important part is how "good" is the AVCHD 24 Mbps? Plus you have output to uncompressed video directly to external recorder.

    Hopefully the street price will be under $7K once it hits the stores!

  • Its not a good upgrade for the money. It may be come handy for those canon fanboys willing to buy it in, due to big invesment in canon glass, also for the sake of saying is a Canon pro movie making camera. If output would be 10bit then maybe a point but even in that aspect, it fails choosing 8 bit and 4:2:0 AVCHD. Its like having a GH2 with XLR and bigger body, lol.

    As @Vitaliy said, look really bad.

  • The form Factor reminds of this: http://static.petersofkensington.com.au/images/ProductImages/171521-Zoom.jpg Yes, thats a toilet Brush :)

  • What a strange camera to release in the later half of 2012. It would have trouble selling at 1/2 the price

  • That would look right if it sits on Toys R Us shelf.

    That red "C" mark looks retarded... Made in "C"hina?