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12mm f/1.6 Noktor
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  • @Alfaerik I'll post some up tomorrow - was filming all weekend wide open (though a fader ND and looks sharp enough i.e. doesn't look soft enough to be unuseable, bit Lomo-like.

  • @JackBayer Sorry about your lens, it sounds like it's broken after all. I was hoping it was just the usual focus/aperture confusion but if you hear elements moving around, something's wrong.

    I feel for anyone who spends $500 and gets a broken lens, and I'd be hopping mad if it happened to me. But let's be realistic, this is a niche of a niche of a niche lens made by hand in China in very small batches and for it to cost only $500 you can be sure it wasn't made alongside iPads at Foxconn. You guys ever buy hard drives in bulk? A 10% DOA rate means you got lucky. This is the world you wanted. Low prices, free worldwide shipping, and QC. Pick two.

    Guys here act like there are other, better alternatives to a 12mm f1.6 lens for M43 so SLR Magic must be messing up somehow. The only other fast 12mm for M43 I know of is the Oly and it's $800, and starts at f2 where the SLR Magic is already sharp and flare-free. Yes I've seen the "comparos" and yes the Oly has its own look which you may or may not prefer to the SLR Magic. But for the money the SLR Magic has no competition.

    If you want one, prepare for a long wait and the possibility of a bum sample and another wait for a replacement. But I can tell you that once you get this lens on your camera all the hassle will have been worth it.

  • @soundgh2 Please post some pictures, so that we can compare our copies to yours. Lenses usually go softer at wider apertures, but they should at least keep some sharpness in the center. My slr-magic shouldn't even have the option to go as wide as 1.6 since the quality of the image is too bad, therefore it is false marketing to sell it as a 1.6-lens. It would be really useful to see someone post a picture of a 1.6 image that is sharp so that I could know for a fact that mine copy is faulty.

  • OK, definately sounds like your lens is faulty, then @JackBayer..

    I'll do a quick test of mine when I get around to it. I've shot with it already of course, but images are no good as tests without settings.

  • @Alfaerik +1, I´d definitely love to see pictures shot wide open that are sharp in the distance.

    @Shaveblog I´ll pm you my paypal adress for your ten bucks :)

    I rechecked anyways, of course...when set to infinity-"un"focus I can hear elements moving inside the lens. :(

  • << working fine @ 1.6 and up, think the quality control is a bit squiffy down on the SLR Magic factory floor!

  • @Shaveblog Are your lens sharp at 1.6. It would be great to see if anyone has a copy that's better than mine and dream_beams so that we could know for a fact if they are faulty or if they behave like other SLR Magic 12mm.

    Please post some pictures.

  • @Shaveblog :) I guess most of us turn the correct ring. How do I know that? While shooting tests I was not in hurry and I was definitely putting my fingers on the correct focus ring close to GH2 body, secondly if one turns aperture, then image becomes either under or overexposed, it is clearly seen in EVF or LCD histogram. While turning the focus ring one actually see how things are getting focused/unfocused (or in case of Noktor: from unfocused to heavily unfocused). So it's actually not the mistake about rings, there is something about the lens itself. You are definitely lucky having no issues about Noktor 12mm lens.

  • $10 says you're turning the aperture ring thinking it's the focus ring because on the SLR Magic 12mm focus is where the lens meets the body and aperture is on the front end right where the lens gets wider. I've had my 12mm for months now and I still fiddle with the wrong ring from time to time. Force of habit.

  • @JackBayer.. OK, sounds really strange, like something is misplaced.

  • My lens was also unable to focus to infinity, but not that extremely. The maximum focus distance was around ten meters for me. Then after putting on and off the lenses several times suddenly the Lens focused beyond infinity and became very unsharp. I have no Idea what happened inside the lens...

  • I will shoot some pics tomorrow, but @dream_beams stills look even a tad sharper to what I could get while not quite in focus yet. This is strange behaviour, normally a wider lens is sharper by its wideness itself.

    Assuming this is not a flaw, this lens becomes a special purpose item for groups of people in a small room i.e. only. I however really need deep focus...

  • @JackBayer Post some pictures so that we can see how your lens is working.

    @dream_beam Great test, I think that your lens seems to be similar to mine. It would be nice to see if someone is able to get sharper pictures at 1.6. I think that stills are a great way to compare softness/focus problems.

  • Below are stills shot at 1.6, 2.0, 4.0, 8.0. The exposure was 1/4000, 1/4000, 1/2000, 1/200 respectively. All are at ISO160. The disclaimer is that it is not a scientific test, the shots were made at extreme lighting conditions, the sun as almost opposite to the lens, that is why there are flares all around which do not disturb me at all but non-focused image. The distance to the tree was about 10 meters, focus was set to infinity. I understand that the lens is designed mostly for video, that is why checking stills is not fair to the lens. Anyway, there is definitely problem about focusing. I will post videos later this week.

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  • Ok, I just did another test, outside. I couldn´t focus on a chimney, which is some 30m away, until I moved the aperture ring even farther down than 5,6.

  • No no, I turn the focus ring alright :)

    When wider that F5.6 I can´t get things in focus that are a few meters and more away from me.

  • @Jackbayer - you have 3 meters of focusing space until it reaches infinity. I believe you have only been adjusting the aperture? (in the front of the lens?)

  • Hello!

    I´ve just received the 12mm 1,6 and I think something´s wrong: I can´t focus in the distance! Standing in my room pointing my GH2 to the windows, which are 4m away, I can´t get them in focus. On 1,6 till 6 or 8 that is. Then it gets sharp also in the distance. Is that normal? I used to have the 12-60mm Oly and I can´t recall having this problem.

    So, broken? Thanks!

  • I am sure there are many good lenses out there and I am also surethat they are great lenses for the price. But SLR Magic seems not to be able to contol their production quality and so the fact that there are so many poor lenses out there after we had to wait very long time for them is inacceptable in my opinion. But I do not believe that they ship the good lenses to certain people only. I remember one guy who tested an SLR Magic preproduction lens on his Blog and had recieved a poor model too. Directly from slr magic. So I think they simply have production problems at all and due to the fact that they do not have a working, open way of communication with their customers and end users like some other companies have (e.g. black magick) I do not feel comfortable with SLR Magic.

  • @HillTop1 I would not be straight forward that much about SLR Magic, let us firstly double check settings and post samples to judge about image quality, I still hope that my poor footage could be due to my mistake on aperture/exposure/recording settings. Anyway, I will post some stills today and video by the end of this week.

  • @sunboy, thanks for the update. I guess slr magic made the "good" quality 12mm lenses and send them to their 'elite" class of friends and seller for reviews test footage then send shitty lenses to the rest of the people. I wonder how many people have this lens and it's having problems with it. Kinder makes me now think twice about getting this lens.

  • My lens arrived from konj last week and the whole picture is distorted and blurred. Definitive a damaged lens. I have returned it now (konj have good and fast service ) and hope that the next one will be better. Slr magic seems to have really bad production quality. After this lens I will not buy one of their products again.

  • oh wow, that sounds scary @dream_beam, can you upload some clips? @jo477, free lens, what you mean?

    If you look at the video posted above by RRRR made by Seb Farges, at 1.6 it's not as bad. @dream_beam, is yours any close to that or way off?

  • @Alfaerik thanks for posting, yes, my Noktor is pretty much similar at 1.6. I will add some stills samples later today.

  • Mine feels way to soft at 1.6, almost unusable. Is it mine lens or is it the same for the rest of you? I would love to see some phootage to compare. Please post some pictures with 1.6 and 4.0 of the same subject, try to focus on something a couple of meters away.

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