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Apple: Intel proved what Apple M1 is not really so fast
  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Rumors are that Apple offered few bloggers special media kit with scenery on how to react to Intel benchmarks, also they offered to double number of views using their Asian based bot farms (they are constantly used for each Day 1 reviews of main popular channels).

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    I am watching media using special tools and I see how coordinated is response to Intel benchmarks. Same coordination had been present during M1 launch. All 100% of leading tech related and general sites act now as one coordinated fist.

    This is very dangerous and can lead to extremely bad consequences, especially regarding present MacOS users who will be turned into totally closed ecosystem slaves with main CPU+GPU being secretive and having totally undocumented parts that can store your data.

  • AndrewReid_EOSHDAndrewReid_EOSHD

    It's plugged into a 32" 4K Benq monitor, proper desk set up. The Macbook Pro 16" is more comfortable as a laptop, but actually the Air isn't too bad. Apple Trackpad always better than a PC laptop. Very good screen.

    Before 11.2 I was unable to get 4K/60hz via USB C to displayport, or even USB-C to HDMI. 4K/30hz max.

    Afterwards it seems to work via USB C to HDMI cable fine. The USB C hub had an HDMI port which I was using for 4K/60hz with 11.1. That work-around now seems dead. With Apple, the hand that gives, also takes away.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @AndrewReid_EOSHD

    Apple use some dirty tricks, for example this part of CPU is secret one - AMX: Apple Matrix coprocessor

    https://gist.github.com/dougallj/7a75a3be1ec69ca550e7c36dc75e0d6f

    It is used by Apple provided libraries and routines (hence the reversed info). Used heavily in image processing and some other areas directly affecting performance benchmarks and where Apple never want you to know that cores are actually much more weak.

    Other rumors are that Apple additionally use parts of GPU (but all this is internal CPU and BIOS logic), if energy budget allows, for some calculations to make you think that also cores are so good.

    I'm using it as a full desktop replacement as far as video editing and everyday use.

    Using such thing as desktop replacement is bad for your health, hands, spine, neck and eyes.

    It is horrible logic of latest years where people forgot about ergonomics and started to repeat marketers points (as Apple notebook margins is astonishingly high compared to any real DIY desktop machine).

    External display support is a total mess. USB C to DP didn't work. In attempting to fix this in 11.2, they broke HDMI!

    Apple M1 machines have video issue where they do not allow proper RGB output on HDMI as I remember, you can see main M1 topic, it was cited my monitor manufacturers. It is hardware design thing, can't be fixed.

  • AndrewReid_EOSHDAndrewReid_EOSHD

    Of course. Marketing on both sides is 99% BS.

    I am actually using a Macbook Air M1 with just 8GB RAM. Performance and memory management is a small miracle... I'm using it as a full desktop replacement as far as video editing and everyday use. It is of course an ultra light portable device and not even that expensive... firmly consumer... but the first that can act as a desktop replacement for CPU and GPU intensive creative tasks. So the desktop class M1, and maybe future 16" Macbook Pro CPU could scale up to be many leagues ahead of CISC systems.

    As laptop and main machine it has consigned my 2020 Macbook Pro 16" to the trash already. I can sell it. This is faster. Especially everyday operation in the OS... More responsive, less pauses, opens and closes apps faster, better multitasking, Safari much faster, instant wake, better use of RAM, less heat too of course.

    Not without major bugs though.

    External display support is a total mess. USB C to DP didn't work. In attempting to fix this in 11.2, they broke HDMI!

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @AndrewReid_EOSHD

    Apple certainly made good processor, but it is also simple fact that it controlled all sources of performance information during initial loud reviews. They asked to use certain benchmarks, certain apps and controlled even main usage scenery used by bloggers who do photo and video specific coverage. They all will lie you what it was not such, but it bad unfortunate thing. And it becomes much worse each month across other companies and products.

  • zcreamzcream

    To simplify, anything Apple makes for its own os will be fast. All that Microsoft makes for its own os will be fast.

    You want to compare third-party user built apps for a valid intel vs m1 comparison.

  • zcreamzcream

    And I forgot to add, intel has the best compilers for its cpu. I don't know what apple has invested in its own compilers. All that the comparison benchmarks show, is the os vendor writing it's own apps in its kernel space and hand optimized for its simd, and comparison with a user built app running on intel CPU

  • zcreamzcream

    @AndrewReid_EOSHD safari runs inside the kernel. Of course it will be faster. As for multiple tabs, you avoid the context switch times. Chrome goes from user to kernel to kernel to user for any context switch.

    Otherwise intel is cisc architecture while apple is risc. Clock for clock cisc will always be faster. It's a design thing.

    Lookup these terms.

    Also you are comparing iris vs m1 graphics. That's a different comparison from the cpu. Apple may have better graphics.

    So intel better cpu and apple better graphics.

    Apple had simd before intel. Lookup altivec. Intel is stuck at avx512. I think that's where apple is better.

    However, if you are building an app and don't have time to optimize for simd, your app will run faster on intel.

  • AndrewReid_EOSHDAndrewReid_EOSHD

    Experience - Microsoft Office runs like a dog on a Mac compared to the native Apple spreadsheets, Numbers, Pages, etc. I don't think Microsoft has had the time or willpower to fully optimise a brand new M1 version. It'll always run better on x86 architecture. It doesn't make use of the custom cores or specialised silicon in M1. It is legacy software for legacy architecture.

    Intel have just cherry picked some numbers and even then come up lacking. If we look at a broader range of apps including ones by experienced Mac OS devs rather than Microsoft, we will see a better suite of benchmark numbers. M1 is about vertical integration. Safari is supreme on my Macbook Air M1. I can have 50 tabs open on an 8GB machine and it barely blinks. Chrome meanwhile is an incredible RAM hog with multiple tabs.

    Yes I am sure equally bad marketing exists on Apple side.

    Obvious 'common logic' never trust benchmarks in adverts. No matter who from :)

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    @AndrewReid_EOSHD

    Incredibly dumb benchmark. I am surprised you cannot see through this marketing ploy.

    Of course it is little marketing, but benchmark is good, contrary to many Apple sucking bloggers.

    Productivity benchmark doesn't use any Apple software.

    Benchmarks BY DEFINITION could't use Apple software as they are made for comparison of different platforms and one of them don't have Apple software, so they tried to use same soft on both machines.

    Chrome and Office 365 even if they run native on M1 will still be more optimised for Windows.

    Who told you so? I guess it is famous "common logic" again.

    Also compare Chrome performance on M1 to Safari on M1.

    This is not their fault, as Apple try hard to block any independent browser rendering engines on their platforms. And Safary is usually best performing browser on Macs.

    Gaming performance - what settings? What res?

    Just live with it - if you get Windows machine for gaming with even quite low end GPU - it is much better than M1 macs.

    Intel running scared.

    No, as far as I know, Apple stimulus budget on M1 promotion is industry record. All top influences had their test arranged, rechecked and stimulated (yes, I know few personally) :-)

  • AndrewReid_EOSHDAndrewReid_EOSHD

    Incredibly dumb benchmark. I am surprised you cannot see through this marketing ploy.

    Productivity benchmark doesn't use any Apple software. Chrome and Office 365 even if they run native on M1 will still be more optimised for Windows. It is Google, Microsoft in-house dev. Yet still the best they can come up with is just PDF export & Excel performance being better on Intel. I presume everything else wasn't so marketable. Also compare Chrome performance on M1 to Safari on M1.

    Content creation - again no Apple software like FCPX. Just Adobe muck and Windows benchmarking software. Premiere Pro native on M1 isn't even out of beta.

    Gaming performance - what settings? What res? All missing! Highly selective and yet they could only find 2 games where Iris was better anyway. No surprise they can find some Windows games that don't yet run on M1. Must have been a big challenge for the Intel marketing team there.

    Intel running scared.

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