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Coronavirus: It is China to blame for all and everything
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  • that great article is like the chinese communist party propaganda central, writing an article patting itself on the back after arresting how many independent verifiers ?

    Of course it is propaganda, but much better one.
    This article at least has valid points contrary to latest US idiotism.

  • @Vitaliy.... ""since a COVID-19 patient without travel history to China died on Feb. 6? "" ....obviously there was early asymptomatic transmission involved, which makes corona so hard to trace. I google this..... ""American scientists silenced for publishing COVID-19 studies"" and found nothing. You have a link ? And I googled "" US hasn't published multiple genetic sequencing results of the novel coronavirus"" and get nothing as well. What's your point ? I wouldn't wait for a US politician to answer you. The first 2 points are highly interesting. And maybe 5g is how they trigger the dormant corona in asymptomatic carriers months or years later.....and omg...that great article is like the chinese communist party propaganda central, writing an article patting itself on the back after arresting how many independent verifiers ? Give me a break ! Even I've ignored the US govt's intel piece as being too much.

  • There are also questions that need to be raised to the U.S.

    • Why are the CT images of the patients of electronic cigarette pneumonia that broke out last August in the U.S. resemble those of the COVID-19 patients?
    • What on earth happened in the bioweapons lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland?
    • When did the earliest COVID-19 infection happen in the U.S., since a COVID-19 patient without travel history to China died on Feb. 6?
    • Why are American scientists silenced for publishing COVID-19 studies in the U.S. which always brags about its freedom of speech?
    • Chinese and European scientists have published multiple genetic sequencing results of the novel coronavirus, and why doesn’t the U.S. release its studies as the top power in biogenetic studies?

    The U.S. politicians must give answers.

    Fun thingies

  • China. Figures from the ministry last month showed the coverage of the 5G network will be further expanded with more than 600,000 stations expected to be built nationwide by the end of 2020.

    Compare to total fuckup of US here.

  • Good article

    Secrets behind China’s high COVID-19 cure rate

    First-level public health emergency response activated across the country

    Between Jan. 23 and 25, many provinces, autonomous regions, and municipalities in China activated the first-level public health emergency response to the COVID-19 outbreak, which ensured the prompt and orderly implementation of epidemic prevention and control measures.

    Locking down Wuhan

    After COVID-19 cases started to surge in Hubei province, China put Wuhan under lockdown and imposed outbound travel restrictions on the whole of Hubei province, effectively cutting off the virus transmission route.

    Building makeshift and temporary hospitals to treat COVID-19 patients

    The Huoshenshan Hospital and Leishenshan Hospital, two makeshift hospitals China quickly built to treat COVID-19 patients in Wuhan after the outbreak of the disease, in addition to several Fangcang temporary hospitals converted from public venues in the city, did much to ease the pressure on medical resources during the initial stage of the pandemic

    Tens of thousands of medical workers from all over the country went to help Hubei

    As Hubei and its capital Wuhan faced its most difficult period, medical workers volunteered to join assistance teams and went from provinces and cities around the country to help Hubei fight the virus.

    A total of 42,000 medical workers from across the country, including top medical experts and specialists in respiratory medicine, infectious diseases, and critical care medicine and more than 10 academicians, together with over 60,000 local medical staff, provided an extremely high standard of medical care for COVID-19 patients in Wuhan.

    “Four early” + free medical care

    While promoting a set of guidelines on early detection, early quarantine, early diagnosis and early treatment to control the epidemic, China provided free medical care for confirmed COVID-19 patients, which helped reduce the economic burden on patients and effectively contained the spread of the disease.

    Important role of traditional Chinese medicine

    Traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) also helped fight the virus by bringing its unique advantages into play.

    Combinations of TCM and Western medicine were actively adopted in medical facilities across the country. Over 90 percent of all confirmed COVID-19 cases on the Chinese mainland saw their symptoms alleviated after receiving TCM treatment.

    Face masks on everyone

    The National Health Commission (NHC) suggested early on Jan. 29 that people wear face masks in public places.

    Chinese people followed the advice and were cooperative in the nationwide efforts to combat the disease, said Tan, stressing that everyone in the country made contributions to the achievements in the battle.

    Joint prevention and control mechanism

    The joint prevention and control mechanism which was implemented across the country at grassroots levels played an important role in China’s battle against the virus.

    Under the mechanism, prevention and control measures were launched to control the sources of infection, interrupt transmission of the virus and protect the public, especially the population susceptible to infection.

    Sharing experience, ensuring transparency of data

    China has been reporting its numbers of confirmed and suspected COVID-19 cases across the country in real time every day to ensure openness and transparency of the relevant information.

    At the same time, the country has ensured the timely sharing of its medical experience in fighting COVID-19, constantly improved its diagnosis and treatment schemes, and drawn up clear procedures for diagnosis and treatment, effective medicines, and rescue measures for severe patients in the shortest time possible.

    Saving lives as the top priority

    The most important piece of advice China can offer to the world in the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic is to spare no effort to save lives, prevent and control the spread of the virus at all costs, and give top priority to the safety and health of the people.

    People’s lives and health have always been the top priority in China, a fact that was vividly proven in the worst-hit Chinese city of Wuhan during the pandemic, according to Ding.

    In the face of the pandemic, saving lives became a more urgent task than any other. The country was more than willing to sacrifice economic development for a period of time in order to save lives, Ding noted.

    The three principles - controlling the source of infection, interrupting transmission of the virus and protecting the susceptible population from infection - should always be followed in efforts to control an infectious disease, Ding said.

    http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0430/c90000-9686103.html

    Interesting, as it seems like extreme anger towards China can be caused by actions that placed now all capitalist countries into Zugzwang situation, where they want to save business, but forced to save lifes (at least stating it publically, but doing little for it).

    Masks thing is realtime horrid crime happening at most capitalist countries.

  • @jleo.....but but but....you forgot... they not only were slow , and selfserving, like the west, like all govts, but they were negligent in accidentally releasing it, then lying that it wasn't contagious, and then insuring the rest of world would be infected by continuing international flights out of wuhan. And I'm giving them the benefit of doubt that the release was an accident. We probably will never know that for sure though.

  • from Indi Samarajiva, Colombo, Sri Lanka.

    Don’t Blame China For Coronavirus. Blame Everyone

    China wasn’t much slower than anybody else

    Governance Is Just Slow

    The delay in fighting coronavirus isn’t unique to China. It’s a flaw in governance itself. Actually, it’s not even a flaw. In government, delay is a feature, not a bug.

    Think about it. Do you want your government to shut down your economy and lock you in your house? This is ideally an unusual event, and any government has checks and balances designed to prevent such dramatic action or at least slow it down.

    Pandemics are hundred-year events that demand a massive and early over-reaction to stop. Governments are not built for this at all. A government is a tanker ship, not a jet ski.

    If a government did this sort of radical change often, it would be chaos. You don’t want a tanker ship doing donuts and throwing cargo overboard, you just want it to go straight and not tip over.

    Furthermore, any politician’s prime directive is to cover their ass, not to shut down their entire economy because science. The whole system is conservative by design, and conservative means slow to change.

    But of course, the virus doesn’t care.

    Faced with an exponential pandemic, you have to suddenly retrofit this tanker ship with skis and rockets and start throwing your economy overboard and locking people in their rooms. This takes time. Whether the captain is a dictator or democratically elected, it just takes time.

    This is not a problem unique to authoritarian governments. It’s a problem with authority in general.

    https://medium.com/@indica/dont-blame-china-for-coronavirus-blame-everyone-8e98850d0280

    After relentlessly framing China as an enemy, the west is then asking why their enemy didn’t save them. It’s meaningless and only feeds the pointless resentment that got them in trouble in the first place. If the west was unable to learn from China, they could have still learned from a dozen other countries. But still, they remained arrogant. They remain arrogant to this day.

    https://medium.com/@indica/white-arrogance-is-getting-people-killed-78ba41f2b404

  • The US federal government holds major responsibilities with its infections and deaths. It did not close down travels from Europe and UK/Ireland until mid March. And we know now from genetics that the majority of the infections in NY, NJ, etc. are due to specific virus strain from Europe. It did nothing to be prepared for the pandemic in term of PPE (in fact it was pushing to export PPE to China in February) or test for 2 months. US CDC also owns its shares of responsibilities, downplaying the pandemic, human to human transmission, asymptomatic transmission, the use of mask, aerosol transmission, etc. And why is US NIH funding gain of function researches, that is how to make a bat coronavirus infecting a human cell by mutations, it's playing with fire in the name of sciences. It is always easy to point the fingers at others. Let's take the case of Hong Kong, a part of China, a metropolis of 7.5M people, almost the size of NYC. Yet it has only 1000 infections and 4 deaths. How many do we end up in NYC? People may say that is just 7.5M not 325M like the US. Then, let's take the case of Vietnam, 95M people, 1400km joint border with 3 Chinese provinces (Guangzi, Hunan and Guangdong), millions of Chinese tourists each year, a poor country with a GDP 100X smaller than the GDP of the US. They have 271 infections (the last one is an expat from UK returning for work) and 0 deaths. Why? because from January 3rd, they started prepping up testing, field hospitals, isolation wards, contact tracing and closing borders for the coming pandemic. US has embassies across the world, sending back to State Dept. daily intelligence briefings, and they do not know?

  • @jleo....now all this isn't to deny the USa's vast fuxups as well. On jan 29th, the US evacuated nearly 200 people from wuhan and had them in quarantine....for 3 fuxing days ! And trumps travel restrictions were too late and millions of dollars short, trying to save his stockmarket reelection. We all know what we're dealing with trump though. We don't have the same benefit of familiar analysis on the ccp. My points about china's guilt are based on my belief of them having foreknowledge possibly even back to december that they had a dangerous infectious agent which escaped from their lab, and covering that up ! And they continue to do so.

  • @jleo .... ""Among the flights were 50 direct from Wuhan, the Chinese metropolis where the outbreak is believed to have started. Twenty-seven of those flights went to San Francisco and 23 to New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport. The last flights from Wuhan came in early February, when the Trump Administration imposed restrictions on flights from China to the U.S."".... https://abcnews.go.com/Health/disaster-motion-flights-coronavirus-ravaged-countries-landed-us/story?id=70025470 ...and from your own link .... ""China did not issue an order suspending group travel to foreign countries until three days later, on Jan. 27 [my emphasis]......and ""while 200 of the 600-odd flights scheduled at Wuhan's international airport were canceled"" ..... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/nine-dead-as-chinese-coronavirus-spreads-despite-efforts-to-contain-it/2020/01/22/1eaade72-3c6d-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html

  • RADIO PROGRAM: Dear Leader: Lessons on leadership in the time of pandemic

    As the death toll mounted, the authorities could no longer keep the news hidden. People of all ages were dropping dead, and the questions were mounting among the living.

    You'd be forgiven for mistaking that as a description of events in Wuhan, China, where coronavirus originated and its outbreak remained undisclosed for weeks.

    That scenario, however, unfolded in Hamburg, Germany, back in 1892, when it became the only major Western city to experience a cholera outbreak that year.

    The autonomous city-state within the German empire was ruled by merchant elites who held onto their belief that cholera was transmitted through "miasma" or "bad air." By then, science had proven it was caused by bacteria that could be transmitted from human to human through water or food.

    That early example of denialism — and the decision to suppress the news of the outbreak for more than a week — lead to the deaths of nearly 10,000 people.

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/dear-leader-lessons-on-leadership-in-the-time-of-pandemic-1.5547863

  • The source of the rumour that China allowed international flights out of Wuhan was Niall Ferguson writing in The Sunday Times, but further investigation by Professor Daniel Bell shows that it was not true. It would only matter if Covid-19 was only in Wuhan at the time, but check other news about multiple strains of Covid-19 unrelated to China and early pneumonia reports in US and Italy.

    But he asks a question that stood out from the rest: “after it became clear that there was a full-blown epidemic spreading from Wuhan to the rest of Hubei province, why did you cut off travel from Hubei to the rest of China — on January 23 — but not from Hubei to the rest of the world?”

    The force of his question rests on the factual assumption that China allowed flights from Wuhan to the rest of the world but not to the rest of China after January 23rd. But is it a fact?

    To support the allegation, Ferguson added: “January is always a peak month for travel from China to Europe and America because of the lunar new year holiday. As far as I can tell from the available records, however, regular direct flights from Wuhan continued to run to London, Paris, Rome, New York and San Francisco throughout January and in some cases into February.”

    I was surprised by the allegation that China allowed regular direct flights from Wuhan to cities in the United States and Europe after it cut flights from Wuhan to the rest of China.

    So I did a search on a Chinese language application called Umetrip (http://www.umetrip.com/mskyweb/main/index.html), provided by CAACNEWS (中国民航网; the website for the Civil Aviation Administration of China). I checked all the flights listed on the spreadsheet Professor Ferguson sent me. It turns out that none of the flights that supposedly left from Wuhan after 11:26 am on Jan. 23rd actually left from Wuhan. The flights listed as red on Ferguson’s spreadsheet were cancelled. The six listed as black left from Guangzhou and in normal times would do a stopover in Wuhan on the way to SFO but the stopover was cancelled. The app shows the actual flight paths of those flights as direct from Guangzhou, bypassing Wuhan.

    In short, the “available records” provided by Professor Ferguson do not show that “regular direct flights from Wuhan continued to run to London, Paris, Rome, New York and San Francisco throughout January and in some cases into February.” The records show that flights out of Wuhan to the rest of the world stopped around mid-day on the 23rd, , the same day China stopped flights from Wuhan to the rest of China.

    Update (April 22, 2020):

    In his response, Ferguson concedes that he was wrong to allege that regular flights left from Wuhan to the rest of the world after Jan. 23rd, which is what I had asked him about since it would suggest a deliberate effort by the Chinese government to allow, if not encourage, the spread of the virus to the rest of the world.

    https://danielabell.com/2020/04/21/did-the-chinese-government-deliberately-export-covid-19-to-the-rest-of-the-world/

    https://financemarkethouse.com/2020/04/24/update-on-flights-from-china/

  • @jleo...long before any intel writeups began appearing, coincidentally or not, planted disinfo or not, or just plain bad writing skills....the facts of china denying contagiousness and allowing flights out of lockdowned wuhan were duly noted by most, except maybe those who themselves want to throw shxt upon the burning fire in order to hide their own odor.

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    For some unknown reason, the self-proclaimed best intelligence agency in the world also has the largest number of intelligence leaks in the world. What makes it even more bizarre is every time the leader of the free world requires some form of perceived evidence to support a claim, an intelligence leak just magically happens and the leaks always magically support those particular claims.

    Then this supposedly top secret intelligence can be repeated thousands of times all over mainstream media completely disregarding National Security and liability. Don't people ever wonder why no one was ever arrested or held accountable for these leaks?

    What makes everything even more ridiculous is, the number of morons that believe things can so magically appear every time and continue to believe the authenticity of these leaks every time. So are you a moron?
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  • @Vitaliy....no...I don't understand because " but they had been forced to release virus exactly due to information they obtained about present coronaviruses research" . ? ....Yes the usa had the virus at fort detrick , but what information did "they" obtain " ? that forced them to supposedly release the virus ? They closed down the research at detrick. The canadian provided china with the virus. China had it's tentacles in alot of places. The harvard prof. And what's the difference between "ruling class" and superelites ? I assume they are the they you're talking about. Name me some people you consider the ruling class. The 6000 or so permanent guests at davos ? That's a large class to make such decisions.

  • I don't understand your point about "inverse situation"....but totally disagree we need to be performing gain-of-function research with whatever viruses.

    It does not matter that you think, as such research can provide big economic advantage becoming weapon against competitor economy. Hence, it will be done.

    I just look at the materialistic economics situation and it had been only one country who actually gained in 2020 thanks to coronavirus and it is US. Economy had been on the brink of collapse due to huge bubbless and debt issues. Trade war with China did not go as planned. So, planned and controlled shock is much better for them.

    I think we are just in the very beginning part of developments, as it will go further you understand lot of my points better.

    And remember I haven't bought into this idea that some superelites are in control of this.

    I am talking about ruling class. No superelites or deep state :-)

  • @Vitaliy....I don't understand your point about "inverse situation"....but totally disagree we need to be performing gain-of-function research with whatever viruses. And that's the real point....we don't need to be. And remember I haven't bought into this idea that some superelites are in control of this. That's your idea. I think this was a simple escape, or a 12 monkeys scenario inside china alone. That's not saying there's no connections with bioweapons research in other places. Obviously we funded them 3.? million dollars. But one has to realize in weapons funding 3.something million dollars is small potatoes. French and canada were in deeper.

  • @kurth

    Issue is that we need progress in cell function understanding and virusology, not banning stuff.

    As leading countries will collect and do viruses anyway (even if it'll be total public ban).

    In reality we can have here inverse situation, where US already had such virus from around 2014-15, but they had been forced to release virus exactly due to information they obtained about present coronaviruses research. Otherwise in 1-2 year time effect of this virus on economy won't be such as elites want.

  • ""Despite intelligence probes into whether her laboratory may have been responsible for the outbreak, Dr Shi is not hitting pause on her research, which she argues is more important than ever in preventing a pandemic. She plans to head a national project to systemically sample viruses in bat caves, with estimates that there are more than 5000 coronavirus strains “waiting to be discovered in bats globally”."" ..... https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60

  • ""China was evidently hiding the extent of a pandemic that endangered the world while covertly securing PPE at low prices. This “surreptitious” operation left “the world naked with no supply of PPE,” Jorge Guajardo, Mexico’s former ambassador to Beijing, told Global News. "" .... https://globalnews.ca/news/6858818/coronavirus-china-united-front-canada-protective-equipment-shortage/

  • ""Beijing does not want anyone inside it, has banned research institutions from sharing their findings about the virus on their websites, and says anyone who doubts their official view —which is that it either came from a meat market or someone ate food infected by bat saliva — is just being a knuckle-dragging xenophobe."" .... https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/05/01/wuhan-lab-as-coronavirus-source-gains-traction/#74519b746743

  • @jleo.....all those points...and not one that addresses the real crime ? Doesn't resolve china if all 10 points are true. They're deflectors from the truth. They knew it was highly contagious, tried to hide it, and they continued to allow international travel in and out of wuhan after they had walled off the city to travel to other parts of china. Are you chinese ? You act like you're chinese ! Who knows, maybe chinese have paid internet spoofers like israel. Although opening up the information that the USa, and other western powers are also doing this shxt will be beneficial to closing it down.

  • Covid-19 and US/China Debt: Trump Doing a Haircut or Selective Default on US Debts? by Robert K Tan

    There has been wild talk of America demanding a "haircut" on US debts or doing a selective default on US debts held by China. I did this post in another group some 6 months ago. The points made in that post still hold today, now that Trump has been elected POTUS and the US debts are USD 20 Trllion. The post is reproduced in full here.

    A comment on a post "China Endorses Trump " in this group that Trump as POTUS might declare a default on US debts (of which China holds in excess of US$1 trillion), the same way his own business filed for bankruptcy, has prompted me to do a research on the implications of a sovereign default by America. Some may remember a Yankee kid said on a TV programme that America should refuse to honour its debts to China so as to solve America's problem of humongous government debts.

    For a quick glimpse of the implications, this is an excerpt from an article in National Interest: "A default on the U.S. debt would cause problems in the domestic economy as financial and asset markets melted down, and U.S. government borrowing costs could potentially make the U.S. deficit and current debt unsustainable much sooner than it would have been otherwise. But the worst outcome for the U.S. would be the acceleration of rise of a bipolar monetary order. At the moment, the global reserve currency is the U.S. Dollar, and the U.S. enjoys great benefits from it. Playing chicken with the debt ceiling and creditor credibility risks sparking a “flight to others” as the safety of U.S. Treasury bills becomes a thing of the past." The key words are "acceleration of a rise of a bipolar monetary order".

    Even though America accounts for 22% of world GDP (16% in PPP terms) and was toppled from its position as the top TRADING nation in the world by China in 2013, US$ is used for over 50% of global trade (as high as 80 to 90% for Korea, Australia, Thailand and Malaysia) and over 60% as world reserve currency. All this in spite of the fiat dollar, US$17 trillion (some put it at close to US$100 trillion including undisclosed and unfunded portions) in government debts and a mind boggling amount of money supply created out of thin air by the FED.

    What has enabled Uncle Sam to pull off the greatest scam in human history is his firm grip on post-war Bretton Woods institutions IMF and the World Bank as well as control of the international payments system SWIFT. And America is determined to perpetuate this financial hegemony by all means, including wars to destroy any regime that challenges the Prima Donna status of US$ in world finance and trade. The last one who challenged the US$ status was Gaddafi, who planned to sell Libya's oil for EURO, instead of US$, and we know what happened to him.

    A sovereign default by America would trigger a loss of confidence in the US$ worldwide. US$ would suffer an immediate and huge devaluation. Most countries would switch their reserve currency out of US$ to EURO, Yuan and Jap Yen. International trade and oil trade would no longer be done in US$. It would not be just a bipolar monetary order, but multipolar with US$ excluded.

    America could no longer issue bills and bonds to finance its trade and budget deficits. It could no longer pay for goods and resources with US$. That means the US government would have to close down most of its 1,000 military bases abroad, and unable to buy and develop new weapons. Its many carriers and warships would have to stop patrolling in various oceans and seas as there's no money to pay for them.

    If you think insolvency of Lehman Brothers was bad, a sovereign default by America would be an unmitigated nightmare. Banks across America would suffer runs as depositors rushed to withdraw their funds to buy up everything in sight before hyperinflation set in. The banking and financial system would be crippled. A world financial crisis on a Richter scale of 9.9 would explode.

    Riots would break out across America as depositors were unable to withdraw money with restrictions imposed on daily withdrawals . Oil pumps would run dry, garbage would remain uncollected for weeks as the municipalities could not pay workers, and public order would deteriorate as policemen were laid off. This is not some wild exaggeration, but what actually happened in Argentina after it defaulted on bonds in 2001.

    Now, instead of across the board default, why not America just selectively defaulted on bonds held by China?

    This is fraught with legal and political problems (see this link )

    http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2500&context=faculty_scholarship

    The findings of that study are worth pondering:

    1. A selective default and restructuring is feasible from logistical and informational perspectives, and problematic but possibly feasible from a legal perspective.

    2. When the national and global impact of such an approach is considered, it may be that default and restructuring is NOT, on balance, a realistic alternative.

    The adverse effect on US$ and world markets in a selective default would be only slightly less severe than a full default . It'd be stupid for America to do that just to reduce its debt by US$1 trillion out of US$17 trillion. The costs would far far outweigh the benefits. Faith of foreign investors in American debt would be badly dented as they would ask whether they would be the next target of selective default.