I can hopefully get this thread firmly in the realm of Video as well, as it is part of security/surveillance/deterrence measures.

Anybody here have experience or footage from the new Lorex 4K Noctunals using Sony Exmor R BSI sensors?

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nocturnal-security-cameras-673951083.html

Back illuminated CMOS sensor Your Nocturnal security cameras use an incredibly sophisticated Sony Exmor R™ image sensor. This type of sensor is especially useful for security cameras because of its amazing low-light performance. It uses back illuminated technology to capture more light, as the incoming light bypasses the normal layer of metal wiring and transistors that can diminish the amount of light with front illuminated image sensors. This sensor also shields the video from low-light noise / grain by passing the signal through an analog noise reduction program before converting the video signal to digital and a secondary noise reduction after conversion.

4K Ultra HD IP NVR System with 10 4K IP Dome and 12 4K IP Motorized Bullet Cameras, 250FT Night Vision 4KHDIP3222NV is a 22 Camera bundle for $4999.99

https://www.lorextechnology.com/hd-nvr-ip-cameras/4k-ultra-hd-ip-nvr-security-camera-system-with-8-ip-cameras/4KHDIP3222NV-1-p

at the lower end the cheapest non-Nocturnal branded 4K IP based bundle I came across was this one for $699 at Costco at https://www.costco.com/Lorex-8CH-4K-HD-NVR-6-Bullet-Camera-Security-System.product.100367618.html

Four 4K Bullet IP Cams and 8ch DVR... for $699 - compare that to what we get from Canon or Nikon!

Ah, I miss the old days of EosHD, LPowell battles (sigh).

@Vitaliy_Kiselev

Only reason to wish this is that such content rise some part of your nature, something real human in you, that makes your everyday comfortable life even if slightly less comfortable. Trump is actually just indicator of direction where things are going if you just have "photo/video/production" comfortable stuff :-) This other, uncomfortable for now, part will reach you some years ahead and even hard raping will look as better choice compared to that will happen at this moment. To be short - until PV is alive, you won't see such tabs here.

I suggested this simply because, contrary to what you may think, a lot of people stay up to date and involved in politics outside of personal-view.com. People like me come here to filter that shit out for a little bit and get a dose of info about video related stuff, and would prefer not to see political topics on the front page. BUT this is your site, and of course you should do what you want with it. I respect that.

@eyenorth

Yesterday:

We have a high gun ownership in my home country, but very low homicide rate.

Me: "Which country?"

El Salvador.

Today:

El Salvador has comparatively quite strict and extensive control, but for some reason the homicide rates are very high.

Were you answering a different question when I asked which was your home country? I am confused.

And yes, gun violence rates in the developing world are generally higher than they are in industrialized nations. Compared with other industrialized nations, the gun violence rate is more than 5x higher per capita with one of the primary differences being access to firearms. The same site that put the gun death rate at 47 in El Salvador and 11 in the US, for example, says that the rate in Chile is closer to 2.5. Economically and culturally, Chile is not especially dissimilar to the US (it's poorer than the US, certainly, but there is a strong middle class) with almost all of the same complicating factors as mentioned above re: single parent households, medicated kids, etc.

@bwhitz What the fuck do teacher qualifications have to do with being armed? I had no idea that the ability to teach 10-year olds math/literature/painting and the ability to safely operate a firearm were so closely correlated. Please explain more of your brilliant world view. You've clearly put a lot of thought into this.

Also, yes, nothing that he said was credible. He backed up none of his statements with any data whatsoever - and no, I'm not going through his post sentence by sentence and identifying which logical fallacy was in each - but there were at least a half dozen presented.

@eyenorth According to gunpolicy.org, the rate of firearm ownership in El Salvador is about 1 firearm for every 10 citizens which is less than 1/10 the rate of firearm ownership in the US. A license is required to purchase a firearm and the minimum legal age to possess is 21, with the right to carry being granted at 24. Gun sales must be performed by a licensed gun dealer. However, the rate of death by firearms in your country is about 4x the rate in the US (about 45.6 (one source vs 40 for another) per 100,000 people vs 10 (one source vs 4 for another) per 100,000 people). In fact, El Salvador has the highest rate of death by gun violence in the world (though it is followed closely by several other Central / South American countries as well as a few Caribbean nations).

Source: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/el-salvador / http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

Also source: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/11/06/562323131/gun-violence-comparing-the-u-s-with-other-countries

@eatstoomuchjam El Salvador

If I were a student I would hate to be educated by teachers armed with guns. I have seen enough stressed teachers to know that there may be issues with unruly students being threatened by teachers who have trouble with discipline.

I rather like the idea of having someone at the school level with a sidearm whether it be a trained teacher, custodian or administrative person. I think having someone armed at the school (with this info promoted with stickers on doors, etc...) could deter a few wackos out there with twisted thoughts and motives.

Yeah - as I talk to people in my travels, sometimes they ask why we don't just take away guns after so many school shootings. I tell them it's because a surprising number of people in our country think that the best way to reduce gun violence is to give more people guns. In response, people usually look at me like I'm from another planet.

Gun control actually is quite important question, And I mean especially automatic guns ownership. And it is reason why we constantly have some strange events in US in this regard.

Originally all socialists plans proposed people militia with wide automatic guns ownership. With actual goal to be able to oppose central government.
Yet in long time frame it turned out opposite.

Also note - around 10-15% of any population have serious problems with head and around 1-2% have severe problems. So actually it is big question why it is so small number of incidents.

@eatstoomuchjam I will no longer reply to unqualified geniuses on this thread who are not actively facing this issue and doesn't answer 1 vital question...

There's an active shooter in your building NOW, how do you stop them NOW?

You first...

@eatstoomuchjam

I am actively involved in the safety measures for a local organization in such matters, and risk-assessment, training and Firearm/weapon safety courses are the very first steps to informed dialogue and decision-making. The training allows you to make informed decisions about your role/reaction to the threat, and how many or who carries what weapon/deterants if anyone/anything at all. Being unprepared and not understanding how to address a single-party threat is inexcusable, litigation threats ever-present, and we have too many opinionated, inexperienced, uninformed ostriches in the jungle of our educational/correctional institutions when a lion comes charging. Peace Officers will say too few security measures, too many inmates, too few armed guards, so why doubt them when their skin is currently on the front-line?

Both political parties here have rather ridiculous stances, and donation money plays no small part in their absurdity.

I do not recall one of these active shooter situations resolved by TRANQUILIZER dart and police announcing "Everyone calm down- situation solved, the chemical imbalance in the FORCE has been restored"...

As unfortunate as it is, such Lethal force needs to be met with immediate lethal force, lest your child or spouse be next. Be it alarm clock bomb, gun, truck, bomb, or phone threat, there are too many poorly parented and unsupervised children with no parental-induced connection to the value of life, and too little time & resources to diffuse every scenario with parent visits, Maslow's needs charts and a lifetime of psychiatric visits with free drugs and hugs for all. Free-range chickens have more humane treatment than some of our children, and certainly are more well-guarded against wolves...

Even Inspector Clouseau could deduce that an extremely specific group of white, socially disengaged youth goes from fatherlessness to showing mental illness traits to "legal"/illegal hard drugs to mass-shooter in gun free zones, while at the other extreme a group of fatherless black males go to gangs seeking missing bonds to eventual incarceration...

Many responsible parties, all share blame. Where are the adults shouting "WE ARE ALL PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE, WE CAN DO BETTER TOGETHER (without more funding)"

Putting up more "No gun signs" on schools, government buildings, churches and playgrounds, lowering flags to half-mast and tweeting prayers to victims is nice PR, but there's no need to be "PC" on Personal-View...

Just because there are serial rapists (some even become US President- pick your party) in modern society, do we then chemically castrate all straight, law-abiding males?

The US social culture is extremely violent, quickly becoming one that actively promotes: white males who show masculinity traits or compete are evil/imperialistic, fathers are unnecessary, single mothers are NEVER to be questioned, humans are simply bags of chemicals that need to be chemically balanced, pregnancy considered a liability instead of a blessing, failing schools and teachers are infallible and simply underfunded, the ten commandments are unneccesary to be taught or understood, there is only moral relativism and no truth, pills and shots and incarceration are the solution... US society is simply violent from cradle to grave, with the highest Gun-regulated/restricted zones like Chicago proven miserable social-experiment failures with unlimited financial need, with thousands of lines of legal and tax regulations at federal, state, and local levels all enforced by Government approved shirts pointing GUNS!!!

Politicians who would propose NO GUNS, more DRUGS and JAILS as the solution, meanwhile making speeches beside undercover, armed police... hmmm...

At both ends of the spectrum, Pharma, Gun Manufacturers and Prison industries profit

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

I am open to a multi-pronged approach, but bad guys will always be around as summarized in the story as old as humankind- consider the story of the first family... no guns, 2 males, one murder...