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Panasonic GH5S GH5 S, 4K Video Edition
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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Can be reason of sudden Panasonic activity

    https://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/18355/fujifilm-x-h1-aka-x-t2s-video-oriented-4k-with-ibis

    Strong rumors coming from Fujifilm.

  • EspenBEspenB

    @eatstoomuchjam - Well it depends on the specs of the new camera and price level. Also, the suggested retail ofthe GH5 could be lowered to be even more competetive in the market. It's a year old allready.

    GHxx price is allready leaked as USD 2500.

    More interesting is the fact that Neumann has tagged his video with "8K".

    This might suggest a radical newer sensor than the STARVIS Sony device.

    14 days to know.

  • alcomposeralcomposer

    I don't think it would be crazy at all for Panasonic to release a GH5s. Here is why:

    • GH5 is / was a popular video camera
    • New Sony M43 sensors are very nice
    • Panasonic can keep 90% of the same design of the GH5, allowing Panasonic to use same body (if the rumour is true)
    • Panasonic will most probably charge a premium for a low light version of the GH5.
    • GH5 form factor will be fantastic for video production
    • M43 mount lenses are great for run and gun video work- they are light, and compact
    • M43 is much easier to achieve a larger DOF, a good compromise for when you don't have a focus puller- or gimbal work, yet allows bokeh if using correct lenses
  • garroulusgarroulus

    Fear of scientific knowledge is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Now that's a very good quote. On a different path religion preached the fear of God leading to the same suffering. What since did very good is that it got rid of the old and stupid superstition but otherwise it didn't do the Earth a better place but maybe worse than ever befor.

  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    @EspenB Panasonic would be crazy to announce something like a GH6 after so recently releasing a firmware update for the GH5 which bumped its video feature set beyond most similarly-priced competition and gave it at least another year of relevance - far more likely a GH5 variant.

  • apefosapefos

    I think there are three options for a GH5s:

    a-10mp or 12mp sensor without dual native iso

    b-10mp or 12mp sensor with dual native iso

    c-20mp sensor with dual native iso

  • EspenBEspenB

    Could this new camera be an actuall replacement for the GH5? Like a GH6?

  • apefosapefos

    The GH5 and G9 can do 4k60p so the GH5s can do two 4k30p for HDR merging in camera. (or two 4k24p and 4k25p)

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Seems to be changes in Panasonic US marketing team.

    G9 marketing was a flop, so this time they want to make some hype and controlled leaks.

  • EspenBEspenB

    I want the red ring!

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  • ScotScot

    I predict with rumors of this and pending release of G9 Panasonic will end up selling no GH5s in December look for discounts. Maybe they will offer a red ring decal kit for GH5 to encourage sales : )

  • EspenBEspenB

    There is a GH5X whatever with a red ring on the drive mode in this behind the scenes. Look at 4:40 into the video.

  • paglezpaglez

    @jamesb EVA1 has a S35 sensor built in. GH5 -and I guess GH5s- it's M43 sensor based

  • jamesbjamesb

    It will probably use a dual ISO configuration like the EVA1 if it is based on the same sensor platform. Expect the camera to cost nearly 3k if they want to separate it as a premium product from the plain GH5. It should have the new IBIS from the G9 6.5 stops and the high res shot mode to cope with the lower resolution if 10MP for higher res stills. Both the supposed leaked shots in my view are fake and altered, not from a new camera.

  • apefosapefos

    We need to see the difference before conclusions, how it would be in iso 1600: 20 megapixels sensor full sensor readout versus 10 megapixels sensor back illuminated full sensor readout.

  • EspenBEspenB

    Casey with the unknown GH5 variation. Seems like there is a similar red ring on the drive mode wheel as found on the G9.

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  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    Fear of scientific knowledge is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

    :-)

  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    Yeah, you're right VK. Moving to a BSI sensor with larger photosites would probably have minimal or no impact whatsoever on the camera's ability to capture an image with less light. I'm obviously a complete dupe of marketing people for thinking that either of those things would make any difference at all.

  • apefosapefos

    The HDR in that sensor can work good for moving objects, the two exposures are in time sync.

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    If that all gives another 1-2 stops of light, I'd be glad to call it a low-light GH5.

    Anti scientific capitalist media can do strange things with brains.

    Sensors and imaging are science things. So drop marketing bullshit, start understanding how things work.

  • eatstoomuchjameatstoomuchjam

    If the sensor rumors are true, the new camera would have bigger pixels than the existing gh5 as well as moving to a BSI sensor.

    If that all gives another 1-2 stops of light, I'd be glad to call it a low-light GH5. Will it perform the same as the a7s series at the exact same f-stop? Still no, but that's a silly comparison anyway. I get 1 1/3 stop boost on my full frame lenses using a speed booster xl. Even if it's still off a stop compared to the a7s, I'd still probably be inclined to choose it for all of the other advantages.

    It would be a bummer to lose ex-tele mode in 4k, though, but that'd be a trade-off I'd take (just like APS-C mode doesn't work in 4k on the a7s mark ii (and it's available, but not really 4k on the original)).

  • Vitaliy_KiselevVitaliy_Kiselev

    1 or 1,5 fstop better in low light is possible, and it makes difference. (half pixels compared to GH5 and back iluminated).

    So 10Mpix sensor. Yet, it'll be very small decrease in noise due to full sensor readout already.

    For dual native marketing I already wrote http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/242390

    HDR merging is possible only for some landscape shots and such.

  • apefosapefos

    If there is something new, it is already done now. So better thing to do is wait to see. And consider a cold water bucket dropped on us all.

  • endotoxicendotoxic

    @apefos

    I think it can be done. DP wise with iso of 6400 clean image, we can use it almost on any applications. Yes a quick lens is needed, but nowadays who can't get a t2.0 or 1.5

    More than that Iso, personally it is already cool for me. I've shoot on red dragon and weapon on iso 3200 and lots of noise in those sensors. If Alexa can barely pull 6400, and panafriend is able to pull 6400 clean I'm all in.

    But with such small pixels with this new Bayer pattern I don't see HDR as a feature on low light.

    You can't beat physics on silicon these days. You must use black silicon, or graphene and those techs need to be implemented yet.

  • apefosapefos

    1 or 1,5 fstop better in low light is possible, and it makes difference. (half pixels compared to GH5 and back iluminated).

    This small improvement in low light + HDR merging two exposures in 4k = will make people buy it.

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