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Driftwood Cluster X Series 4:│Moon T8│Spizz T7
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  • @Siim you got some very nice flying aerial shoots. Can you maybe post an image of your copter.

  • Just wanted to tune in and say that Moon T8 works on my SanDisk 32GB 45MB/s cards too! Though spanning does not work, my GH2 records reliably in HBR mode (25p) ending the clip when 4 GB of file size are reached and stopping the recording. (filming "towi's death movie" and "instantaneous death screen" in loop mode off of my lcd) Thanks Driftwood! Now I get "Moon"-quality without having to buy the 95MB/s cards, although with some limitations. Next test will be 24p mode!

    @monode set your camera to ntsc - go to the setup menu and change video out to ntsc, restart and you will get 30p in HBR and 60p ;) If you already recorded clips with 25fps or 50 you will have to reformat the sd card. the same goes for the other way round.

    Cheers

  • The first serious cold days. Spizz T7@ lumix 14mm.

  • Am I missing something here? You can select frame rate other than 'HBR' and '24P' - where is this secret menu?!?

    Loving Moon T8 Intra, though a short video has filled my laptop's SSD drive! Must edit it!!

  • Here's a trailer for a movie that we planning to get it done for a local Movie Festival. This is not the final grading/resolution, just a muck up one. The final product hasn't been finalized yet.

    Moon T8 used.

    Password is: Mt.Martha

  • Moon T8, color correction

  • I'm having a lot of fun with Moon T8, definitely best settings yet. This video was shot in 24L mode, as I could not afford to use 24H as I had mixed up my 16 and 64 gb cards :'(

    I shot handheld, the videos were shaky so I used timewarp to smooth out the shake and slow down the video, annoyingly it made the video less sharp.

  • moon t8 hbr slow motion test. :)

  • GH2@spizz T7 Smooth -2-2-2-2

  • Some years ago I made a documentary about an very old graveyard (Bergklooster) in The Netherlands. It was shot with the Moon T5/VY Canis Majoris patch. It was also screened at a local 4K cinema (4K Sony Projector) and it looked great! (delivered the file in DCP format)

  • Moon T7 is reliable T8 fails in most cases. the very worst part is the incam playback error from T8.

  • @DouglasRoberts24 I'm no expert, but it may be "banding" which can occur in underexposed areas, particularly surfaces that are one color (like a white wall). If you search "banding" on this site, you'll come up with ways to avoid it and ways to deal with it in editing/color correcting if it does come up. (Images on your video look good BTW, maybe find a solution with search and apply to this video to remove or at least minimize banding.)

  • @driftwood Managed to Shoot this and Edit very quickly with the new Beta T8 patch. I used a Helios 44-2 58mm and a Pentax 50mm lens. Any suggestions as to why I'm getting lines in the background? Is this just a lighting issue or something more any thoughts? Thanks

  • I installed T8 Moon Intra last night and just spent this afternoon out with the GH2 with a 64Gb 45Mbps card, filming in HBR, without the slightest hint of a glitch. I get the feeling the speed relates to the data flow rate before compression so the stream to the card is way smaller. Just awaiting the 22Gb of video to transfer to my edit box now.

  • Just came back from 2 weeks vacation, where I shot a lot of wildlife. During the trip I converted back from T8 to T7 because I did not like the 30fps, which I sometimes use, when handheld without stabilization.

    I'm not to say which is better of the two 24p, both look great to me.

  • slightly OT, I wonder what Nick is doing these days:)

  • Maybe you're right, anyway, I've installed T7, don't want to take any chances. Thank you for your help.

  • It is clear that in one flower shoot the image was slightly out of focus compared to the other one

    That's my point. It wasn't. That's the patch, and what I was seeing in all the clips shot that day, not just the ones I uploaded. (Yes, I see it in both flower shots on my TV.) There seems to be a 'smoothness' to T8, which you find find others reporting as well, and which I find translates to 'less detail' and which (I believe) you falsely attribute to being 'out of focus'.

    On the street shots, I saw this 'smoothness' in the shadow detail more than anything, but like I said, only at 400%.

  • I've downloaded again those comparison footage and took a better look at the flower shoots. It is clear that in one flower shoot the image was slightly out of focus compared to the other one, and that gives the false impression of T8 not being as good as T7 (the first two frames). This becomes clearly apparent in the next flower comparison shoot (frames 3 and 4), because the flower match in sharpness this time on both shoots, and the same goes for the street footage. Look at the bricks on the distant wall, if the T8 was so bad in comparison to T7 as shown in the first two frames, then in the street footage those bricks could not have had the same sharpness, or they clearly do.

    It is not an accurate test by any means because the camera angle, distance, focus and exposure varies.

    Here are the frames:

    Flower 01.JPG
    1920 x 1080 - 210K
    Flower 02.JPG
    1920 x 1080 - 242K
    Flower 03.JPG
    1920 x 1080 - 308K
    Flower 04.JPG
    1920 x 1080 - 310K
    street 01.JPG
    1920 x 1080 - 319K
    street 02.JPG
    1920 x 1080 - 325K
  • IMHO, that's quite academic discussion about "pixel peeping", nothing that matters in practical shooting (and I'm saying this as a guy with academic education). OTOH, T8 was stable as a rock for me too in 24p, while T7 was not always as secure (rare cases, though).

    If I need stability in other modes, I use one of the specialized combinations by Driftwood. It's a limitation in the camera, nothing that a setting could cure.

  • Even if you use the same patch and you only slightly change the camera position, maybe a few centimeters closer to the subject or farther away, or a little bit to the left or right, it is enough to give you false impressions. The light falls a little bit different, the shadows form at a slightly different angle, the focus area is slightly off compared to the previous shoot, it can be a very tricky business. And from what I saw in those flower shoots, the camera angle was significantly different. Since in the street shoots you could not tell the difference, and since in the flower shoots the camera was at a clearly different angle, it's a 50% - 50% chance to be either a difference between T7 and T8 or just a bad shoot. If there really are significant differences between T7 and T8, they should be present in any shoots, including in the street ones, and that is clearly not the case here. Most likely the flower shoots are misleading.

  • That difference might have more to do with the fact that you've changed slightly the camera position, angle, focus, and so on, because you have changed the firmware between shoots.

    I don't believe so. The camera position and angle aren't the 'difference' I see.

  • Moon T8 truly is marvellous, colourful and fluid, dare I say one of the most stable Driftwood patches that I've had the chance to try so far. In-cam replay is great too (Sandisk 95Mb/s 32GB U1).

    EXCEPT in FH mode, where in-cam never seem possible unless I turn off and on again / or shoot another small file... FSH replays has always replayed well so far, much more so than FH replays! Wouldn't it be possible to decrease modify moon T8 somehow, while keeping everything else in balance?

  • That difference might have more to do with the fact that you've changed slightly the camera position, angle, focus, and so on, because you have changed the firmware between shoots. I don't think is the T8 / T7 difference. We would need two exact frames for comparison, otherwise we fool ourselves. If there is a real difference, probably is minor and very hard to spot. Once T8 installed, I don't think it is worth going to T7, because T8 is definitely in the same league of quality as T7.