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Driftwood Cluster X Series 4:│Moon T8│Spizz T7
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  • dracoredracore

    @Jim_Simon - Yes, I also have a PNY 32GB and 64GB. Both rated at same R/W speeds, however when I use the 64GB, it randomly fails on write with Moon T7 due to buffer overflow. No problems with the 32GB though.

  • dracoredracore

    @tired - you could just easily pop in your Extreme Pro and hit record - letting it run for 5-6mins to see if spanning works

  • punditpundit

    @Aashay

    Shian has covered the zone system in relation to the GH2. As far as people and skin tones are concerned I generally meter and expose for the brightest side of the face and then apply some fill light to the darker regions if required.

    I mostly use a reflector but sometimes a little fill from a small battery powered LED either bounced, or through some diffusion does the trick if there's not enough ambient to bounce.

    The other thing to consider is when shooting a no/low budget anything with only around 8 stops of DR is a carrying small makeup kit.

    While makeup is expected on narratives it's amazing how it's overlooked on many documentary shoots. Shooting a sweaty bald guy in full midday sun is not what these cameras do well.

    The tiniest patch of shiny skin can add another stop or two which will easily cause blow outs.

    Once you hit the upper exposure limits the highlights will clip abruptly. No soft knee here. When you're right at the limit a third of a stop is a lot with these cams.

  • MayaMaya

    @driftwood Is there a fix for In camera playback for Moon T8? Clips above 20 to 25 seconds doesn't play in the camera. i hope there will be Moon T9 with all Working and Improved. thk u :)

  • AashayAashay

    @pundit.. Cheers man for such detailed explanation. It is really helpful. Would it be right to say that one should keep the darkest part in zone 2 and highlights in zone 8 for best quality out of the cam?

  • tiredtired

    just testing Space - not spanning on a Sandisk extreme plus 80mbs - PAL 25fps FHD

    works on Sandisk Extreme Pro 95mbs - we'll see what happens on the wedding tomorrow, living on the edge!

  • darkraymonddarkraymond

    @pundit Thank you, SD Formatter is work. It solves a problem that some of my sd cards can't be recorded continuous even those cards are USH-I and fast.

  • Jim_SimonJim_Simon

    " I believe that spanning is not dependent on just the R/W speed of the card"

    I'd agree with that. I recently tried the Transend U3 card, the one recommended for the GH4's 200 Mb's mode, and it failed miserably with Moon Trial 7's 50 Mb/s 24L mode, where as the slower rated SanDisk cards work perfectly.

  • AlbertZAlbertZ

    @pundit very good work, man!

  • punditpundit

    @Aashay

    I meter each shot and use a WhiBal card for white balance and also an XRite Color Checker.

    Main thing with the GH2 (or most DSLRS's with limited dynamic range) is to avoid overcooking the highlights and then use fill in the darker areas if required. I tend to use reflectors quite a lot. White for full sun and silver for overcast.

    The first frame above was in almost full midday sun so plenty of reflector was needed.

    As the GH2 doesn't allow for a very flat profile I try to keep things within around eight stops of range.

    The less latitude you have, the more important it is to get it as 'right in camera' as possible. If you nail the white balance and keep the exposure within range then, theoretically, less grading is required.

    If I have to grade something too much it tells me I got it wrong in camera.

    I'm not a fan of crushing the last couple of zones to black.

    The hacks seem to help here as you can often pull quite a lot detail out of the apparent darkness, but I'd rather do it with the lighting than in post if possible.

    I really hated that Magic Bullet crushed blacks look that every man and his dog seemed to be applying to their 5D MK2 and 7D footage a few years ago. I read somewhere it was to hide all the compression macroblocking that lurked in the shadows.

    The 85mm Rokinon is a bargain, while the SMC-Takumar 85mm F1.8 is great but around $400-$800 s/h.

    If I could afford it (and justify it) I would like a set of Zeiss Super Speeds or Cookes but one can dream...

  • AashayAashay

    @pundit.. Incredible. Loving the texture. Do you plan to grade it cause it looks pretty gorgeous as it is? Moon/Spizz.. Everything in Cluster X is a beast. Also, I have been looking for a cheap vintage 85mm or or above tele lens, Any recommendation?

  • punditpundit

    @Aashay

    1. Rokinon 85mm F1.4 @ F2.8 with ND1.5 (shot around midday requiring bounce fill light from right)

    2. Pentax SMC-Takumar 85mm f1.8 @ F2.5 (window light from left, bounce fill from right)

    3. Rokinon 85mm F1.4 @ F5.6 ??

    4. Voigtlander 17.5mm F0.95 @ F2.8 (window light from left, bounce fill from right)

    5. Voigtlander 17.5mm F0.95 @ F4.0 ??

    Normally I wouldn't use two different lenses of the same focal length on a shoot but I wanted to give the Takumar 85mm a try.

    Frame No. 2 was the 'B' cam with the 85mm Takumar

    Frame No. 4 was the 'A' cam with the 17.5mm Voigtlander

    In camera settings 'SMOOTH' & -2, -2, -2, -2

  • AashayAashay

    @Pundit.. Beautiful frames. What lense are using mate?

  • punditpundit

    At the end of each days shooting, after transferring and backing up, I fully format my Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB 95MB/s cards using SD Formatter from the SD Association...

    https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/

    Takes around 20 minutes to do a full format on my 2012 MacBook Pro.

  • dracoredracore

    So spanning at 24H works with my Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB. So now I believe that spanning is not dependent on just the R/W speed of the card (my PNY meets and/or exceeds my Sandisk Ex Pro card) but rather some other attribute (extra buffers when it opens the next file for writing?).

  • punditpundit

    Currently shooting a documentary using Moon T8. (Yeah I know!) Anyway results are looking pretty good.

    Here's a few frame captures...imageimageimageimageimage

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  • DFutureDFuture

    So are Moon T8 and Spizz T7 definitively better than the Moon T7 patch?

  • dracoredracore

    Has anyone been able to span with Moon T8? My capture hit 4GB and stopped recording after. SD card used is pretty much empty. PNY 32GB, benchmarked at 90MB/s read, 80MB/s write

  • GardnerGardner

    Moon T8 all the way!

  • paulopaulo

    http://www.personal-view.com/talks/profile/1639/nomad, thanks a lot!!!

  • SiimSiim

    Spizz T7@SanDisk 64G/95MB/s No problem so far :)

  • Jim_SimonJim_Simon

    Just want to report that I shot a full wedding at 24H with Moon Trial 8 tonight using the SanDisk Extreme Plus 128 GB card with no issues at all. I've also used this card for several jobs with Moon Trial 7 and that also works beautifully. Both patches span just fine.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/992493-REG/sandisk_sdsdxs_128g_a46_extreme_sdxc_uhs_1_80mb_s.html

  • nomadnomad

    Go for the Canon FD 35-105, the Tamron 28-80 (Adaptall 2) or the Minolta MD/MC 28-85.

    All pretty "filmish" and normally below 100,-.

    For further questions, please check proper thread!

  • paulopaulo

    Hi guys, can you help me? I need a zoom lens, good for my gh2, more filmic than videoish, old, and very cheap. Any sugestion? Thanks a lot.

  • NikolayMNikolayM

    Test Panasonic Lumix GH2 with Driftwood "NEBULA T8" hack

    Lens - Helios 44-2 No color correction, no denoise, without treatment

    Smooth -2 0 -2 -2 ISO 160 WB - auto

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