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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • @soulofrev2 thank you.

    I think there's enough positive to go with the negative. based on all of that, IMO if I were forced to choose a BMD cam it'd be the BMCC MFT for now, until they get to maybe a 1.5 or 2.0 version of the Pocket, or drop the price to around $599.

  • Is it true that with a manual lens, the battery last for 15 minutes?

    no, not true. My subjective experience is that it even lasts longer than with AF auto lenses.

  • Hi all,

    Is it true that with a manual lens, the battery last for 15 minutes?

  • @soulofrev2 thanks for the review and fuck those who don't appreciate your effort

  • with due respect I don't understand why you showed the same footage several times? Either you could have shot more ore shortened your talking. my 2ct.

  • Hi everyone I just uploaded a full review of the Black Magic Pocket Camera. I do a run through of the camera and show you some examples. I also show the voigtlander 0.95 and the metabones nikon g to micro four thirds speed booster.

    Thanks

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiiCQe_ST8s&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLcM3TbBpt_G66cVilK_fcDcnzr3wMVaej

  • @kholi, Mine is no where to be seen! What are you doing Thur? Might be doing camera tests at Hollywood Camera with my BMCC, Sony FS700, RED Dragon and some others. You down? If we have time I'd love to to throw in the GH2 with Moon or IV2 as well!

    @vapourtail Are you in LA?

  • @vicharris @kholi Nikon G SB in hand. Would be happy to lend a hand to see the results.

  • Sick, if you don't have a Pocket Cam let me know, down to test.

  • Getting ready to order a SB @kholi. Might be here this week to test. MFT to Nikon of course. And going to reorder the 16 Cine.

  • @MaulKentor

    Great points about the use of the Rokinon glass beyond just the Pocket Cam. Definitely something to consider.

    If I had access to a Speedbooster, I could test it... certainly answer some questions that I have on the SB. I know where a set of F-Mount Rokinons are, just no Speedbooster in my neighborhood.

  • @kholi Thanks for the stills they look great.

    I'd like to be able to shoot wide open for filming at night and am leaning towards the SLR magics is that respect but I see the benefit of having the Rokinon's with the speedbooster because it doubles the amount of focal lengths I have a my disposal and should increase their sharpness if I'm not mistaken. I suppose the best thing to do would be to wait until more Rokinons are tested on the BMPCC and the EF to MFT is released as well.

    Particularly I am interested in the new 16mm T2.2 which would give me a 46mm T2.2 and a 33 T1.2 when the speedbooster comes out. I've heard great things about the Rokinons on the BMCC and thought it may be good if my collection of lenses could be used on the broadest range of cameras. If I have a set of Rokinons then I can use them on BMCC MFT/EF/4K/BMPCC whereas with the SLR Magics I can only use them on the BMPCC and BMCC MFT.

  • @MaulKentor

    Depends on how fast and how wide you want to go. Those Rokinon's, maybe they perform a bit better wide open on the smaller sensor, but using them wide open on the 2.5K is a no go.

    However... the 25/0.95 SLR Magic looks SHARPER wide open on the Pocket Camera. And, so does the 12/1.6, which actually leans toward sharper edges as well unlike on the 2.5K and GH2. I was surprised to see this, and was expecting the opposite.

    Flares are heavy on the 12/1.6 wide open, and on the 25/0.95, CA wide open can be a bit overbearing on over-exposed areas, color changes between 0.95 and 1.8. So those are things to consider.

    THe size of both, even with a Viewfactor cage, lend toward a "stealthier" approach. The weight of the 25 helps stabilize the camera, as well.

    I've only seen footage from the 85mm Rokinon on the Pocket Camera, it didn't look bad at all but I'm also sure it wasn't wide open, which is a factor to consider given the smaller sensor size.

    VK can decide if this belongs here, but answering the question in this thread, I've attached three stills from a firepit gathering, the two with people are the Pocket camera and the SLR 0.95, shot at 800 ISO wide open, 172.8 shutter, and the firepit is closed down at 800.

    woslr25_1.jpg
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    woslr25_2.jpg
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    woslr25_3.jpg
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  • Anybody else thinking of going with Rokinon EF lenses if and when the Metabones Speedbooster EF to MFT comes out? Or should I go native with SLR magic lenses?

  • @kurt10

    We have topic for lenses tests on BMPCC :-)

  • I just voice my opinion about this great camera that I passionately love for walk around shooting, Scene Blocking, Grand Son's Soccer match armed with a 70-210/2.8 stabilized and occasional tight set scenes that no other camera would fit AND give awesome IQ.

  • @shian

    Panny didn't market the GH2 as a cinema cam... but we sure are using it as one.

    Yes, the pedantic and semantic arguments against using these cameras in a way that they're perfectly capable of being used (rigged for filmmaking), how their spec sheets beg for them to be used even, have my jaw on the floor each time I read them.

  • @vicharris @010101

    Guys, keep it smooth :-) Keep discussion level, express your opinion, but with less emotions.

  • @vicharris,

    " ... I really don't think you have any real world knowledge. And yes, I've seen people shoot exteriors with a C300, into the sun for a national Chevy commercial as a Bcam. So once again you are wrong."

    Hah! And I really don't think you have qualifications to judge me ! How about the A-cam on that ad shoot !? Was it shot the same way !? I don't think so. There are not many DOPs out there ready to gamble on their JOBs or bring it down to YouTube levels. Let's see those shots out of that B-cam. Now who's giving people inaccurate advice !? LOL

    " ... You're giving people advice and telling others they're wrong on cameras you've never touched."

    Well, you are definitely wrong about that one because I own two Black Magic Pocket Cinema Cameras now and loving them. I just received my first one back from calibration and sent the second one in. Although the ownership of a device is not necessary for knowledge about that device - and vice versa. I knew a good deal about this camera way before it became real and then while I was waiting for mine I was working with one as a loaner from a good friend ( DOP ) during the orbs hoopla.

    Yes you could be right. And yes there are many reputable professionals out there that have different opinion on the matter - and they could be right also.

    " ... You are giving inaccurate advice"

    In what points I have been inaccurate ?

    You have been trying to make your negative personal opinion about this camera an acceptable fact for everybody - it's not going to work. There are many positive opinions that are just as loud and also as adamant about the awesomeness of this camera. Given, mostly fanboys but some people honestly just find the camera great . I am one of them and I am entitled to my opinion and have the rights to voice my opinion on this site as you do. Please understand that.

  • @010101 You really don't know what you are talking about do you? I'll ask again. Have you ever touched a BMPCC? You seem to be so keen on giving people advice but I really don't think you have any real world knowledge. And yes, I've seen people shoot exteriors with a C300, into the sun for a national Chevy commercial as a Bcam. So once again you are wrong. It is done on a professional level. And how do I not know anything about a viewfinder I've used on a camera for a yeah and a half? I've used it many times outside and nailed exposure. Ask Shian if he's ever nailed exposure on his GH2 or Per. I bet they have and it's been done many times. You're giving people advice and telling others they're wrong on cameras you've never touched. You are giving inaccurate advice. Please stop.

  • I'm not sure what's about BMPCC that creates such tension in discussions. The moment we all agree this is a Tiny, first generation, 1080P, ProRes ( RAW to become ), media hungry, battery guzzler camera that technically was not possible just a year ago - many disagreements would end.

    On the " commercial title" of the camera one could say there has been titles like : Pocket Wizard, Smart Phone, Monster Burger, Dream Team, Magic Carpet, Swiss Chalet, Hummer, ... I don't remember any photographer complained about - " Not Having A Wizard " in their pockets after buying one etc. BMPCC is a 1080p camera. Is it good enough for cinema ? Perhaps, for sure in hands of experts. Would it do it comfortably ? I highly doubt it.

    On the pimped up images of it with all those BIG lenses and support rigs on promo shots - well, some cars put a couple hot girls in bikinis on their show floors and posters too. Hey you never know buying that car may increase you chances of attracting similar girls but that depends on your performance. Is it possible to run the BMPCC as A-cam all rigged up !? depends, who you are shooting for, the scene. the set .... and how insane you are. Just a few months ago people where eagerly shooting HD- H264 with all kinds of PL mounted Zeiss and Cooke on 5D and 7D just because somebody showed them an image and the interweb told them could be done.LOL

    BMPCC with all the told and untold flaws is / will be another great one for the purpose of image making.

  • @MRFanny

    Yessir! I bought two (2) 4500s. It should also charge the internal battery, so that's enough time for me right now, and then later on I'll add another pair.

    That was a good find by that guy.