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2K BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera, active m43, $995
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  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    @gameb I didn't, I said people can be rubbish at something. If you disagree then basically your saying everyone in the world is a brilliant filmmaker.

  • gamebgameb

    @jimmykorea moderate your words man, I agree with you totally, but you cannot say, people are rubbish, only because they want a very wide lens

  • IronFilmIronFilm

    Looks like at least one BMPCC got shipped (I'd guess?), the image looks beautiful:

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    I' ve said it before but got a lot of criticism but if you really want wide shots why not get the 4K or at least the BMCC. Now everyone screams they cant afford those cameras....to that I say if you are that limited by budget then be creative and work around the limitations of shooting a bit tighter, the producers of CSI have been doing it for years, cant you?

    Some younger people have nooo idea the limitations a wannabe budget filmaker had a decade or two ago. People would sell a kidney (some times literally) to buy a few rolls of film and hire a camera to make something. You got the cinema tools now for peanuts, if you make rubbish now, maybe you are a rubbish filmaker.

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    @ivanlee I dont disagree but to be honest there are quite a few great lenses for m4/3. People probably if they want the convience of a zoom are probably also thinking about IS which the Oly doesnt have. If you dont want IS then you have some great primes like the Lumix 25mm which is basically a leica for peanuts. SLR magic primes and yeah some great OLY options including the 12mm f2.

    Also in fairness the Oly 11-22 isnt exactly compact but if it had IS I would put up with the bulk.

  • ivanleeivanlee

    I still can't understand why nobody mentions the Olympus 11-22 f/2.8-3.5 lens for Four Thirds, this lens is my go to wide on my GH1/GH2. It's VERY sharp and it distorts VERY little, it's not a under designed lens like the m4/3 lenses that relies too much on auto corrections.

    But I think the 11-22 will not be wide enough on the BMPCC, and it's hard to find a wide lens that does not distort like hell.... guys, lens distortion is UGLY, I hate it! this just doesn't exist on cine lenses!

  • nomadnomad

    I agree 100%. Too much wide makes people look like caricatures. Plus, it distorts perspective when you move around, since our eyes/brain system just doesn't see things like this (even if we have nearly 180 degrees of view horizontally). No, I don't mean lens distortion here, just wrong perspective.

    If you really need a 10mm covering the BMPCC (not the GH2, for sure), get the Zeiss Tevidon in C-mount. It still can be found under 200,- € and just needs minor lathe work to fit an adapter.

  • gamebgameb

    What about the Panny 14mm + the DMW-GWC1, thats pretty wide, good and cheap, you get quite close to a 28mm full frame

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    If you have to then I recommend the 9-18mm Olympus? If 12mm is enough obviously the 12mm SLR magic is going to match your Nokton. Or you better learn to walk backwards.

  • Chaos123xChaos123x

    I just want a wide angle lens. Not worried about being a better filmmaker or whatever that means. I shoot mostly normal, but I like to have a wide and telephoto as well.

    I use the 25mm Nokton on my gh2 as a normal. I'm thinking 17.5 would be a better choice as my normal on the pocket.

    I haven't found a wide angle S16 glass that is affordable yet. Saw a few CCTV lenses but I'm not really sure about them.

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    Well when I mean distortion I don't just mean straight lines but more the inbuilt distortion you get too wide, almost fisheye.

    This comes with a disclaimer that's its just an opinion. But over the years I've seen a few things thrown around as what makes an image look like a movie. The one in this case is the dreaded wide shot. I think what happens is people go see a movie and see these widescreen IMAX movies and think wow movies should be wide and letter boxed not recognising that many of the these movies are shot with anamorphic lenses or even IMAX cameras, etc. So you get these extreme wide angle letter boxed clips on Vimeo. The problem for me is this which tends to pass most people who produce these clips cause they are so happy to get such a wide shot. It's the fact creatively you only want to have a really distorted wide on people unless you want them to look drunk, on drugs or some surreal crazed paranoid look. that's the effect it has on the audience and I'm pretty sure that's not the effect people originally wanted to produce.

  • nomadnomad

    @jimmykorea Well, GH cameras correct for it. But are we really talking distortion here or RS? I admit distortion is hard to tell apart at that size.

    But regarding wide angle I share your opinion. Even a 12mm would look like a 35mm on full frame (photo), and anything wider is more of an effect than general filmmaking. 18mm is the widest they use on S-35, close to 10mm on the BMPCC, and that's rarely used in feature films or documentary. You can find nice primes in C-mount for that with much better speed and less distortion than the 7-14 for less money.

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    @nomad I must of watched a different clip cause that distortion looks horrible.

    Which I'm honestly surprised at cause it looks reasonable on the GH cameras.

  • jimmykoreajimmykorea

    This isn't a camera to get super wide, why the obsession with it? It wont make you a good filmmaker. The lumix zooms around 12,14 are plenty wide.

    I'm a big fan of the 14-42mm MK2 it's the perfect walkaround handheld zoom for the camera IMHO.

  • nomadnomad

    Well, I wouldn't shoot architecture with that, but distortion looks acceptable to me.

  • shianshian

    yeah, the jello wasn't nearly that bad

  • gamebgameb

    Anybody heard something about release in Europe?

  • woodybrandowoodybrando

    Ok just posted it to my google+ I think the jello effect is exaggerated by the gh3 I shot it on.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-J8MGOdSLdVWk5NTXlIbGpNY2M/edit?usp=sharing

  • Chaos123xChaos123x

    @Woodybrando Nice let me know when you post it.

  • woodybrandowoodybrando

    @Chaos123x I shot video of the camera at the event yesterday it had the 7-14 on it I'll upload it when I get home and u can take a look and see if the distortion is too much. Didn't look too bad to me.

  • Chaos123xChaos123x

    @johnbrawley Have you tried the Panasonic 7-14mm with the Pocket? If so, does it distort much?

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    @shian A lot of the BMD guys at these events are sales guys, not engineers. They also are generalists so they have to be across the whole BMD range and lets face it, cameras are still a very new product for them.

    jb

  • shianshian

    Ah. That was not accurately explained at the event. Thanks, JB.

  • johnbrawleyjohnbrawley

    @shian

    The Production camera uses an entirely different sensor that is global shutter only. The reduced DR is a downside of having a global shutter generally. Some sensors do have multiple shutter modes and they also have reduced DR (more than a stop) and require a lot more complex backend work to make it all work.

    jb

  • Chaos123xChaos123x

    Speed booster would be cool but all my vintage glass is Minolta MD.

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