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GH2 High Quality GOP3 Settings, Series 2: 'AN' Valkyrie, GOLGOP3-13, GOP3ZILLA, Duke, natural :-)
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  • towitowi

    @bkmcwd

    don't worry - take your time! Actually I am pretty happy with Spizz (Trial 4 bkmcwd). As mentioned earlier I only wish you could modify the matrix to assign a bit more power to B-frames and leave off Top/Bottom bitrate settings (Nebula and DREWnet style... so to say). But Spizz Trial 4 is pretty darn good. Lately I had the time to do some more tests with Valkyrie 444 TZ3 and the latest GOLGOP. Damn good both of the settings in 24H and HBR/25p. For some reason my personal favorite right now is GOLGOP (again) ... I don't know why. To me it seems in GOLGOP motion, detail-sharpness and gradation seems to be perfectly balanced. Valkyrie 444 TZ3 has the nicest look (totally subjective view, of course). Spizz is the "cleanest" and in my opinion provides a somewhat wider range for color correction in post ... but I may be wrong :-) Bottom line: all three settings are really, really good. My GH3 still maintains in my camera case until Vitaly hacked the firmware... I only did some initial tests and found the GH2 with one of your or Nick's settings is miles ahead ... thank you!

    jubilation over :-)

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @tonohita

    Thanks for trying TZ3 and test footage! :-)

    For 25p, since the feedback is not returned to me almost, it is helpful.

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @towi

    Many thanks for your explanations and feedbacks, mate! :-)

    Although I cannot take time to tweak Spizz easily, I do soon.

  • tonohitatonohita

    Test shoot using valkyrie 444 TZ3, HBR 25p at 1/50 ISO 800 using rokkor 50mm f1.4 wide open, minimal color grading using standard Premiere Pro CS6 RGB curve and there way color corrector. Thanks @bkmcwd for excellent setting

  • towitowi

    @dado023

    I've justed finished a spanning test with GOLGOP on a SanDisk 30MB/s SDHC 16GB card shooting mit TV. Both 24H and HBR/25p spanned until the card was full. Bitrate untilzed in 24H was around 70Mbits, 63Mbits in HBR/25p. Valkyrie 444 TZ3 is running right now ...

  • dado023dado023

    @towi

    i think SanDisk 30MB/s SDHC 16GB i smuch faster than normal class10 SD card, so these two on that high bit rates will probably fall apart after few minutes of recording on normal SD card.

    i have tried few other settings, and they record fine in short intervals, 3minutes or so, but after longer period writing fails...

  • towitowi

    @dado023

    is there any setting for poor man's SD card :\

    GOLGOP3-13 (A2 Beta 6 - http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/116896#Comment_116896 ) as well as Valkyrie 444 TZ3 Beta ( http://personal-view.com/talks/discussion/comment/122646#Comment_122646 ) seem to run stable on SanDisk 30MB/s SDHC 16GB cards (not stable on the 8GB cards of the same type) ... at least both settings survived my torture tests in 24H and HBR/25p modes (720p not yet tested; Auto modes not tested). Both are excellent settings!

  • dado023dado023

    is there any setting for poor man's SD card :\

  • AashayAashay

    @bkmcwd.. That makes it crystal clear mate. Thanks so much. I shall be testing out this new 'Lite' black magic you have conjured soon. :)

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @brucker

    Many thanks for your feedback! :-)

    Moreover, please tell me comment.

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @coors

    Interesting. :-)

    Thanks for your report. And, please try many things succeedingly.

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @Aashay

    Thanks for your question, mate. :-)

    Would you still suggest Valkyrie Lite or something else? I only work in 24p and 720p50. Playback in camera is a nice feature but not at the cost of losing other imp things like Details particularly in harsh Indian Sun.

    If in-camera playback is thought as important, of course, image quality will fall victim to some extent. However, since "how much compromise" is up to persons, I have two kinds of variations in some settings.

    Supposing you think the playback in camera, and economical efficiency as important, I will recommend you Valkyrie 444 Lite or GOLGOP3-13-A2. Supposing you think image quality as important, I will recommend you Valkyrie 444 TZ3 or GOLGOP3-13-MAX2.

    The choice of which one is up to you.

  • bruckerbrucker

    shot with Valkyrie 444 Lite yesterday, was only doing 24p but in camera playback worked just fine through out the day on my 64gb 95mbs sandisk.

  • coorscoors

    @bkmcwd Thank you again, for your reply! I'm not 100% certain of the meaning of your question, but I think that I understand. I just now opened Panasonic's firmware, in Ptool 3.65d, and in "AVCHD Movie Mode"/"AVCHD GOP Length" I only changed the 720p_60 setting to 9GOP and checked it, saved that setting, made new firmware and took a test shot. With camera in 720p_60_SH the file is indeed 1280x720, 9GOP.: http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy20/owencoors/00000_Frames_zps0f5d0e9a.png I hope that's what you were asking.

    update @bkmcwd I just built a firmware using your 'GOLGOP3-13_Sedna-AQ1c_v2.1-Beta4' setting. I dechecked all of the AVCHD GOP Length settings except 720p_50 and 720p_60, and sure enough the GF2 used your GH2 720p settings: http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy20/owencoors/00000_Frames_zps41e3cc43.png Now I can confidently build a Valkyrie-444_TypeZero3-Beta2 setting (All modes are 3GOP) for using the actual 720p settings of that firmware. Thank you, very much for this!

  • AashayAashay

    @bkmcwd.. Thanks for the suggestion mate. I don't have a very powerful PC so it stutters with editing 12-15gop settings;neither do I have tons of space so even beautiful settings like Moon (although I like) is not feasible for feature length work I'm testing. I'm huge fan of 3gop settings like Spizz and FM and was content with using them until I saw Valkyrie footage. I think the 444 matrix is very cinematic and I wanna try it with Nostalgia as people here seem to suggest. I have a Sandisk 64gb 45mbps card with lumix lenses. Would you still suggest Valkyrie Lite or something else? I only work in 24p and 720p50. Playback in camera is a nice feature but not at the cost of losing other imp things like Details particularly in harsh Indian Sun.

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @Aashay

    in-camera playback

    Please try Valkyrie 444 Lite, supposing you think "in-camera playback" as important. In all the modes, it can playback in principle. :-)

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @soru

    Many thanks always for your good footages, mate! :-)

    I love your work.

    I have never visited these islands. I would like to go someday.

  • sorusoru

    @Aashay,

    thanks! I use 20mm F 1.7 only.

    I guess I could play clips in camera, but unfortunately I haven't tried. I'm afraid of having SD corrupt with doing so.

  • AashayAashay

    @soru.. Nice work man.. What lens did you use? Were you able to get in-camera playback?

  • sorusoru

    @bkmcwd,

    This is a sort of road movie shot when I went in Setouchi Triennale spring in Japan on April.

    I used 24p of valkyrie 444 type-zero2, and corrected the color on original source in various ways. I appreciate this setting, very nice. Thank you and keep good work!

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @Azo

    Hi Nanao,

    Thanks for your question. :-)

    Is the quality of the HBR30p mode the same as the Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO3 patch?

    Yes.

    if an adjustment is made to the 720p mode doesn't it also affect the quality of the HBR30p mode?

    In this update, it is NO. However, since there are common parameters in HBR and 720p, if they are changed, of course, it is influential.

    Does the Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO3_BETA2 improve video quality in the 720p or does it improve spanning?

    Only for video quality. Not for spanning. About whether spanning is possible in 60p/"H" mode, I have not verified yet.

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    @coors

    Many thanks for your explanation! :-)

    It is a very interesting issue. Is this solved supposing the setting only for GF2 is made?

    When GF2 firm was made to read into PTool, existence of 1080i and 720p has been checked.

    Is the same result brought even if you replace values manually?

  • AzoAzo

    @bkmcwd San

    I have a question about the Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO3_BETA2 patch. Is the quality of the HBR30p mode the same as the Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO3 patch? I vaguely remember reading somewhere on this forum that the HBR30p mode is tied into the 720p mode. So correct me if I am wrong, if an adjustment is made to the 720p mode doesn't it also affect the quality of the HBR30p mode? Does the Valkyrie 444 TYPE-ZERO3_BETA2 improve video quality in the 720p or does it improve spanning?

    Thanks again for your time and improving this patch.

    Aloha,

    ナナオ

  • coorscoors

    @bkmcwd Thank you, for your reply! Yes, you are absolutely correct. Even though this GF2 is set to 720p_60, which should be using 9GOP for the GOLGOP3-13_Sedna setting, it is instead using what appears to be the 60i's 3GOP and it is like this with any developed setting used, i.e. if the setting is intra and 1080_60i=1GOP then 720p_60(30)=1GOP, as well. Using 720p with GOLGOP3-13_Sedna-AQ1c_v2.1_Beta4 the file is indeed 720p_30, 1280x720, 3GOP.

  • bkmcwdbkmcwd

    If there is a request from some user, in the next BETA version of "Lite", the max bitrate in 24p may be lowered more. :-)

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