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  • Anything knows software that makes mood music by itself?
    You set the mood, adjust tempo, set performers type and adjust all this (or switch to any rpeset with soft transition) in realtime looking on actual footage.
    I want something like it :-)
  • BTW there's a brilliant bit of software which I've used a few times for creating midi music / miked sound effects / recorded dialogue to video, because I was struggling to do midi using my current software, and the alternatives were over-complicated midi sequencers.

    This software is called Reaper and it's free to try. Definitely worth a go - the trial is fully-featured, and then the license is very reasonable. Hell even I paid for one, cheap though I am!

    Reaper takes a bit of getting to know because after a while you think "is this it", then you realise you can add limitless midi / audio channels / effects. You can do automated mixdowns, which for me is absolutely crucial for good quality sound production. To work with video, you simply add a video window and an audio guide track, and you can create some amazing audio productions which you can then reimport into your video editor to create a final version. It's brilliant. Have a look!

    http://www.reaper.fm/
  • @zareone Re your last sentence about blockbuster soundtracks, I think it's just that most people don't think too hard, and that music is just "stuff" you slap over the top of pictures. But you know that and I know that...!

    Making music is a valuable thing to do because it forces you to think about sequences in time (being a time-based medium) just like video is. I have a theory from a lot of the video I'm seeing since the start of the DSLR revolution, that because some DSLR users are stills photographers who've come over to the dark side, they tend to think in static images rather than sequences (ie, the shots themselves are important, rather than the relationship between shots and the flow of the edit). Just a personal observation but if it's true, then these same people may think of music as a "statement" rather than as a process in time. Then they discover that by putting music over a series of disconnected shots, it somehow ties it together into a coherent whole. Except, of course, it doesn't, it's just bad video with inappropriate music and no relationship between the two - the shots are not informed by the music or vice versa. You can see how it happens, and it has a horrible sort of car-crash inevitability to it, but it still gets my goat. Rant over!!
  • Wow, posting a YouTube link, makes the video itself to appear on the post. A bit intrusive maybe?
  • @Mark_the_Harp, thanks for the heads up! I didn't know the existence of Trope and Thumbjam.

    Regarding the harp, I love it! It's one of the main instruments I used here:
    (the film is not mine, I just made the "music" for a local soundtrack contest)

    The repetitive nature of the "music" is because the repetitive nature of the film itself (and maybe because of the influence of electronic music in my life, hehehe)

    I'm sure you, as a harp player, could make a real sounding harp mockup using samples, because you know how it's played. I just throw the notes I want it to play, but it sounds really mechanic.

    I'm planning on making a short film. The story is kinda a horror / thriller one. Of course I'll make the "music" / sound design myself. And, of course, it will surely be a piece of shit. But hey, it's just a matter of keeping trying and improving. And one day, something good could arrive ;-)

    I prefer the collaborative or DIY approaches to "library" or stock music. I'm tired of hearing Inception and TRON Legacy soundtracks even on TV realities. Most of the time, the music has NOTHING to do with what's happening in the program. I think it's simply that the music editor likes that theme, and uses it. Seems like everything has to be mixed with epic music. Even if you're seeing some childs playing in the beach, they put the latest epic blockbuster soundtrack to the images... WTF!??



  • @cbrandin Love it! Those directors commentaries you see on DVDs. Much more fun to just have your own as part of the location sound, so you get snippets of "Why won't that f...ing thing focus" etc! And I bet you're right - kids will think this is all perfectly rational!
  • @zareone A lot of wisdom there and I totally agree on the quality of music for images -it doesn't have to be a stand-alone masterpiece because its job is to support, not distract. Although I can play the harp and do so professionally, it probably wouldn't be appropriate (except as a random texture, perhaps) to support a scene in a video. However, I've done a huge amount of music for radio drama and live theatre, and to be honest, I reckon now the technology is good enough for anyone to have a go and explore (just as we are doing with pictures). You can do some amazing stuff just using an iPod app like Trope. Thumbjam (also iPod) is an amazing interface whether you're a musician or not, and the sample quality is wonderful. I've even used it to contol PC music sequencing via wifi MIDI.

    Simple is often good. I find it disappointing to see music used in a really arbitrary way in too many videos, and that's lazy and a missed opportunity. Often it's used instead of really nicely recorded commentary / location sound. But if you really believe music is the answer, I would urge anyone to make your own. That scene with a small child running around could have happy or sinister music, and it would change the meaning of what you see. It's another way of creating an emotional response.
  • @Stefanos: I agree, not everybody can be a DaVinci and master all the arts. We don't have the time to learn so MANY things.

    But, on the other side, I think music for picture doesn't always need to be a masterpiece by itself, but suport the image it accompanies. For example, listen to David Julyan soundtracks to Memento, The Prestige... they are not Rachmaninov like pieces, but they fit the overall athmosphere of the film quite well IMHO.

    Other option you have is to seek for collaboration. After all, filmmaking is a collaborative work! Sure there's some amateur music composer (or noisemaker, like me) willing to help you out with your project (I'm not offering my services hehehe, just making a point). I like every aspect of filmmaking / media creation, and would love to play with every aspect of it, but, as you say, if I do, I won't be good at any of them. Maybe I won't even concentrating in just one... :D
  • Don't touch to Days of Heaven. I'm shooting a tribute to Malick/Almendros work (another way - artistic way!- to say "don't have bucks to add extra lights").

    - Shallow dof : check (kinda : no money for the Nokton)
    - hand-held shake : check ! (well... neither for steady/rig/tripod of course).
    - my secret weapon : only use the unfocused part of your footage. If someone ask : it's a good trick to smooth the motion. Real reason : do you think I saved some for an EVF with peaking feature ?
    - Finally, I'm launching a sound dogma : artificial, sophisticated, "clean" sound from hollywood and all other motherfuckers wannabe artist is a crime against any serious kind of creation. The creation process have to appear in some way for the public (cause he's not dumb) : so in camera sound always used to hear the talent AND the crew (hum... myself) working to achieve a masterpiece. Yeah, right, no money for that...

    I mark your words Chris... ah fortune!...
  • JACK OF ALL TRADES, MASTER OF NONE.
  • In fact I can think of lots of "famous" films that can't be any good. They don't use shallow DOF, underexposure, hand-held shake, or any other technique that defines competence according to what I read today. These idiots relied on lighting and composition - what a joke! Clearly you could make a fortune improving these films - like Beauty and the Beast by Cocteau, Metropolis, Gone with the Wind, Apocalypse Now, everything in Psycho except the shower scene, anything by Kubrick or Scorsese - the list goes on and on.

    You may think I'm kidding - but your kids won't see a joke anywhere in there - mark my words.

    Chris
  • Not such a joke. Most of the money being made in the "music" business these days doesn't involve any original music at all. What's to keep movies from following? I could colorize and re-edit Citizen Kane to make it edgier - maybe add some hand-held shake. Or how about re-doing Days of Heaven, or The Last Emperor? Even better, I could re-edit Blade Runner. Oh, wait, Ridley Scott is already on it - for the 4th time. At least it's his own work.

    Chris
  • ...hey - and use stock pictures too :-)

    Just kidding...
  • You don't have to.. Just use music from:

    http://www.jamendo.com/en/ (as zareone mentioned) or http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

    Be sure to read the enclosed licences, though. I've been in contact with the IFPI/Teosto here in Finland and to license a popular song to the background of your short and free original video trailer (distributed via Vimeo/YouTube) will cost you around 300-500 euros per song :D Not worth it.

    Jamendo has some GREAT music! I used one by a Finnish artist Matti Paalanen in my video
  • @zareone +1

    I agree (but then I would, as a musician)! Make your own pictures. Make your own music. Why do one, and not the other? Do both!
  • Hi everyone!

    My first post at this forum.

    I already knew of Vitaly (beacuse of eoshd.com and a Documentary I saw about the programmed obsolescence), but I've arrived here from that terrific interview at 43rumors. What a rockstar is Vitaly! :D

    There's some nice copyleft music here: http://www.jamendo.com/

    But, making your own is always a good option. Your final piece will be even more personal :-)

    Greetings!
  • erm... isn't that forbidden already? - like - for many, many years? As long as it's not royalty-free, you're not allowed to distribute it.
  • If politicians continue their current course I think that best investment will be to get collection like this
    http://www.akeron-lich.narod.ru/magic/music/Funeral.htm
    Will be suitable for so many cases...