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ColorGHear [PART 2]
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  • Very cool - congrats. Please post links to watch once it's made available online - will definitely check it out.

  • The Dam Short Film Festival has not only selected a film I DP'ed, co-edited, and graded using the then experimental ColorGHear Toolkit - shot on the original RED ONE with the same Nikon lenses I now use on my GH2....BUT they're also using a still from the film as their Cover Photo for the festival.

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  • @radikalfilms - I didn't say I didn't see a difference but for me, at this point, it's a matter f diminishing returns. I'd rather spend the $3k for a BMCC body only on financing my next short film. A good craftsman doesn't blame his tools. The GH2s picture is incredibly pleasing to me and actually the GH3 and GH2 were my two favorite pictures in terms of character.

  • @radikalfilm the "reviews" segment where we talk about the cameras and our likes and dislikes is up now.

  • @artiswar: are you serious? What about the extended DR if nothing else? Just look at the talent's forehead...blown out on GH2/GH3. Yes it can be lit up within range if you have time and resources, but you just have it easier with the BMCC.

    @shian: what is it that you don't like about operating the BMCC? Just curious, I haven't touched the thing and I intend to get it when it comes out in m43.

  • @shian - Really surprised how much I don't want either the BMCC or the GH3. Kooks need to get on dat writing/concept game because the GH2 stands it's ground great, or at least good enough to surpass fan boys and impress investors/clients/distribution.

  • the details are in the 2nd vid. We shot both Prores and Raw but at different times.

  • @shian Ha, I guessed it!!

    I admit there was bit of luck, the only indication I saw clearly different was different DOF according to different sensor sizes- (smallest DOF cam1, biggest DOF cam2, same DOF 3&4), also greenish GH2 colors and its too high contrasts made me suspect it to be cam3, for those reasons I still prefer the GH1 for some things.

    Stunning performance of the unhacked GH3 though, and very interesting how BMCC footage looks after the grading, it gets the best. Did you shoot with the BBMC in RAW?

    Why are the colors so different after the grading, was it graded different way?

  • Resolution wise I think that #2 really looks like poop.

  • You could try reverse-engineering.

    Apply any preset. You can see all details on the effects panel. It's really a basic set of curve, level, hues, saturation, opacity, etc. @shian covered a topic about how to tweak the presets and creating your own.

  • @shian

    Please, keep discussion about your good tests in proper topics - GH3 and BMC ones.

  • To my untrained eye, I didn't see one I liked more than any of the others in the first test. In the second test, I thought camera 4 gave the best balance between highlights (the shine on the female model's forehead) and detail in the shadows (the male model's ear). What ever was going in the third test, I definitely did not like camera 4 - everything looked washed out and lacking in contrast. In the fourth test there was nothing I really liked or disliked.

  • Yep, I agree with Vitaliy except that he's a dumb Mother.

    I depend way too much on presets because I simply don't know any other way. It's been a busy winter and I haven't kept up with what you're doing so I have some catching up to do.

  • Here's how I ranked them for each test, favorite to least favorite:

    3 2 4 1

    3 4 1 2

    2 1 3 4

    1 3 4 -

    3 I like the most, for some reason. 2 is probably next, closely followed by 1. Didn't like 4 very much at all. But, a lot of this comes down to the grading, and trying to "match" footage from such different cameras can require interesting compromises. @shian you might want to upgrade the video to 1080p. Also, I interned in the rental industry out in LA, and there are only so many 24-70s available on short notice. I have a good story about this, and if you'd like to hear it, send me a PM ;)

  • i hate canon glass, I really do. And the other thing was time - we had to blow through the tests pretty quickly, and identical framing was not high on our priority list, especially since we expected the 5D to eliminate itself pretty quickly. Which it initially did, but the made a strong comeback.

    We did the one test to satisfy the "it's not the same lens" people, but once we got into the simul-shot test we didn't have enough canon glass to go around, so we put the Nikkor glass on the GH's for that, and the head-to-head GH2 vs. GH3 shoot and then just left them on. I said it's not very scientific, but despite the different lenses, all the footage cuts together rather well.

  • Since you guys had the Canon 24-70mm I don't get why you didn't use it as baseline optics and use its range for identical framing. I'm sure you do have an EF-m43 adapter. I'm curious to see the ungraded material.

  • Another camera testing with different lenses.... nonsense. How can one differ is it a lens or camera performance? Nikkor 35mm... (Non-? Ai? -S? AF? f/2.8? f/2.5 f/2.0? f/1.4?) there have been 51 different types of Nikon 35mm produced so far, with many significant changes: number of elements and groups, number of blades, coating, etc. Different types perform very different considering contrasts, color rendition, sharpness and differ in flare-prone, bokeh etc.

    Thank you for this test nevertheless. Don't take this personal, it is just a fact and I regret the time losing with different lenses, especially when it was possible to mount the same lens on all 4 cameras. It costs so much time to do such test shooting, no?

    Only 2nd part of the test with the same lens is usable (rotating in the chair), my first impression on this poor PC screen where I could watch it (quite oldie one) right now is:

    1: the cinematic one, less contrasts but retained excellent shadow details without peaking
    2: good detail in the well-lit areas, shadows tends to get too dark
    3: the sharpest contrasty one, the digital looking one, highlights peaking
    4: the balanced one, good shadow details without peaking well-lit areas

    I don't know any other camera but the GH2, my impression and pure guessing is in order of camera numbers is: BMCC, 5Dmk3, GH2, GH3. All cameras are excellent, though also very different. For cinema-like film making: No.4 than No.1

  • I also agree with Vitaliy and Mike_C and, please, talk SLOWLY. Also, make the words round and easy to be understood by non-americans (we´re a international community). I know it could be boring for you but we need your expertise understandable (sound wise). I know what it´s mean: I am a teatcher myself ( and experience helped me to find some "tricks" to do it). First of all: listen to your "inner voice"/thinking and , then (after miliseconds,) say it lound, and within a pace. I so happy with what I have learned so far from you. Keep goin´.

  • @shian I agree with Vitaliy as well.

  • ITS 12PM I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER, DRIVING TO LA TO SEE IT IN PERSON. SEE YOU SOON, SHIAN.

  • @shian I agree with Vitaliy. A nice small "basics of color correcting and grading for dummies" would be excellent. Then that acts as the free intro class to an advanced series that is paid.

  • @shian

    Get my good advice. Make good small basic course. From ground up. Free one. For really dumb motherfuckers like me.

    And after this make advanced parts.

  • Part 1 tonight.

  • BUT WHERE IS THE END OF THE WORLD SHOOTOUT D:

    gh2 goes off sale december 31st. I must see it before then!

  • @spacewig "...like you've given us insight into the uncertainty principle."

    Haven't I? :)

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