Driftwood - Experimental Series 2: Low Rider, Cluster v8, V9, Intravenus II, GH3onaGH2, AN, Boom

vicharris

@driftwood Hey Nick, sorry for the newbie question here but I'm in Miami on a last minute hotel promo shoot and didn't get time to test much HBR stuf back in LA. I figured I'd use 30P since it will only be viewed on the hotel website and wasn't sure if any of these new patches were good and stable at 30P. Any suggestions of should I just stay with Sedna or a CM to play it safe, possibly a V7? I use all 95mbs cards so no worries there.

driftwood

@mee Give Low Rider a test... still tweaking...

mee

@Driftwood, greetings, and happy new year!

I have been using your older patches mostly, though I have tried Boom recently, and definitely appreciate the look enough to where I put it back on the camera for now. I recently picked up a 17.5mm Nokton (woohoo!), and am simply wanting to see just how sharp this lens can be at the extreme. So my question is, what is the all time highest detail patch you have released, and a follow up would be what is the all time highest detail yet stable patch, or what is the most recent patch focusing on ultimate detail?

driftwood

@Zaven13 @bueller @kingmixer and any other good testers - Test these two new Low Rider variations and report back.

kingmixer

it was kind medium/med-wide. I appreciate the work and response – i was just curious and I'm glad it's working right.

driftwood

@kingmixer Upto 150Mbps. At the moment its set for best balance / variable. It wont neccesarily reach 150Mbps unless there is a lot of detail. Was it a close up shot you were filming? :-)

kingmixer

So is the bitrate for Intravenus II especially variable? I know in Ptool it's listed to be something close to 150 Mbps, right?

I shot a couple quick clips in my apartment and got 70-80 for the average bitrate in Stream Parser. I don't know if that's how it's supposed to be and i'm just missing/forgetting something, but I just thought I'd ask.

(Extra Info: Manual 25mm Lens, Iso 640, SDXC 64gb card, 24H, Dialed-Down Smooth)

Manu4Vendetta

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artiswar

@pundit - I see what you did there :-)

@WhiteRabbit - I believe that was Sedna B. I've moved to IntraVenus now.

Bueller

@driftwood/community. I'm doing a fashion film in a couple of weeks in the woods. It will have a great deal of high detail items (i.e. leaves everywhere, branches, grass, fine fabrics, moving shots). It will be shot during the day. I have the Sandisk 64/95. Any ideas on which patch I should shoot at (or test) for the best results.

Thanks in advance.

Zaven13

@driftwood. Here are the PNG screen grabs from Streamparser comparing the frame sizes for various recording modes between Low Rider and CL7 Nebula 6GOP 444 Sharp2.

pundit

@artiswar Nice FOOTage... ;)

WhiteRabbit

@artiswar, thank you for the information and sample Anamorphic footage. Very impressive shots, location and sharp footage/post finish. What GH2 patch did you use to record that footage, and what patch are you using now?

I will have to review my setup. If it proves to be a sharper taking lens is required, then that is something I may consider in the distant future, as I have other priorities for now. Thanks again.

artiswar

@WhiteRabbit - On this video, I used a Schneider Anamorphic and a rather soft 50mm Canon FL taking lens. At f3.2 at the fastest I believe. Really sharp. Definitely try other taking glass.

WhiteRabbit

@artiswar, the ISCO is said to be 2x, however, many consider it to be around 1.7x. I did some tests a long while ago recording spheres at various distances and came up with my current height transform, from value 100 to 62, if I recall. Editing computer is busy at the moment, so I can not check. Yes, I will transform the height down some more. Thank you for sharing this observation.

The beach was shot at F5.6-8 at ISO 160, the garden was F4 at ISO 320 and the night shots were F2.8 at ISO 1600. I wanted to shoot at F8 on all, for a wider focal plane, coupled with simplifying the two lens focus practicality. There was just not enough light late afternoon and night shots with only available lights in the home. The Helios is probably not the sharpest of lenses. The ISCO qulality may also be relevant. Chaining glass together like this reminds me of my 35mm adpater days, although this is more practical. While the result is desirable, often something is not always quite right.

@driftwood, et al, I altered the Low Rider v1.0 MJPEG values today from 1920x1080 to 2048x864, as @duartix had suggested in another thread that this was an ideal value based on his tests. Using a standard lens (non-anamorphic) and monitoring from the GH2 EVF/LCD, the image appears to be the correct aspect ratio, however, playing it now from QT player, the footage is already transformed for anamorphic lenses, I am assuming 2x. Holding up an anamorphic apapter lens infront of the taking lens, the image from the GH2 EVF/LCD display is stretched, and then appears closer to correct when playing the recorded file back via QT player on a computer. At the moment, I can not investigate this further on the editing computer. My question are: 1. is the aspect ratio based on the dimension of the recorded file (2048x864), or is it fixed in PTool v3.66d, or can this be adjusted in a patch build? I could not see where I could tweak pixel aspect ratio in PTool. Anyone able to help or direct me to the information? Thank you.

GravitateMediaGroup

if you have low rider installed turn a tv on, turn the lights off or low, and record a wall. not good, flow motion does the same thing but it appears way worse with low rider.

I have not tested this with intra v2, but it's what I am going back to ; ) I'll let you know if I get the same results.

UPDATE: Intra has a slight flicker from a TV reflecting of a wall, but mainly at higher ISO's and nothing nearly as bad as low rider.

artiswar

@WhiteRabbit - I'm thinking that you need to desqueeze more. Everything's a bit too skinny.

As far as sharpness goes, what fstop are you at? 5.6-8 Is going to be the sweet spot on that lens. Aside from that, try a sharper taking lens. I'm concerned it might be the ISCO itself.

WhiteRabbit

Footage shot with Driftwood Low Rider v1.0 patch.

I had one recording crash due to motion, and during another shot at night, the camera froze, so a simple remove battery and reboot, shooting again after a few moments. Perhaps when it froze, that was the file that did not import into Premiere. Using a 32GB Sandisk 30MB/s card.

Other than my error in finding the right WB during late afternoon, as the cloudy day changed with glimpes of the sun coming through, my greatest difficulty has been recording under domestic tungsten lighting conditions, and the GH2 EVF/LCD screen display appears different once you press record, something I need to be more aware of.

With no higher quality external monitoring, it is complicated to focus with the 1.75x stretched image, together with finding focus between the Helios and then fine tune focusing the ISCO. My hand held skills are poor. I like some of the images, however, I would prefer a sharper result, especially wider shots. Perhaps I need to change the Helios, and/or reduce the GH2 sharpening from -2 to 0, and/or perhaps there is a high IQ Intra patch that records sharper?

Source files seem to be low noise and clean (although I have not performed any pixel peep). I will shoot with a Lomo (spherical) this afternoon and tonight using Low Rider and post in a day or so.

I thank Nick, Vitaliy, et al, involved.

See the full description in Vimeo, for further details.

WhiteRabbit

@Jim_Simon, an ISCO Cinemascope Ultra Star attached to a Helios 44-3.

I wish I had a super sharp taking lens that is 50mm or greater, the results may be better. My Lomo's, which are softer lenses have a unique thread diameter for filters and attachmnets, perhaps 85mm thread, so there is no practical way to try those with this anamorphic lens attachement. I do need to have a custom step ring made, as the matte box and 4x4 filters, etc, are not inspiring to just go out and shoot run/gun style.

driftwood

@haarec Subject matter is often hard to predict. Try the other version of Sedna if you are looking for more all round good picture quality for most picture types. The AQ1 set A version is perhaps best left for in tight (facials) to mid shots. Glad to see new members ;-) First time I seen it that bad. Check your settings.

@Zaven13 'Low Rider' doesn't use the 444 matrix. Its a new original Driftwood matrix. Also 'Boom' matrix is adapted cbrandin matrix pushing it even further. All in all, Good work on the map.

haarec

@weomck Fantastic. Good detail and low noise. I watched this 1080p sample over and over again. And by the way we have an example of using time-stretch with frame blending in After Effects too.

@driftwood Codec problems seems to be unfortunately hard to predict. I have seen a problem with Sedna AQ1 version A (which is a great setting). A scene full of moving elements and a bottom half of the image has a coarse noise (not my vid).

1m09s from the beginning. You have probably seen it.

@Zaven13. That's grand. There are also GH3onGH2, Cake and Valkyrie settings.

xavieramelio

@Zaven13, thank you for the thought but I do have it on AFC but still does not work, as well as the EXtele

Jim_Simon

@WhiteRabbit

Which anamorphic?

DeShonDixon

wrong thread

WhiteRabbit

@Zaven13, thank you for providing the breakdown, helpful.

I spent a day looking at the patches, reading the threads and observing footage. I have installed 'Low Rider v1.0' today, shots taken late this afternoon with an anamorphic attached to the lens, and I will try for a few shots tonight. Low Rider crashed once, a shot where foliage was out of focus and close to the lens and being moved in and out of the shot by the wind, while the subject matter behind was the point of focus. Such a shot to be expected as potential breaker, unless my 30MB/s card was the cause. I will report more findings after I have a closer look at the footage in the coming days.

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