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'Apocalypse Now' Experimental Series 1 Thread - BOOM, Intravenus - cbrandin/driftwood AN Soft/Cinema
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  • The artifacts are actually quite visible on all lines and edges like cars etc. It will become very clear once one compares it with the other non-artifact frame grab.

  • @vicharris The best output in 1080p24 maybe, not in 1080p25, yet. Personally I think that among all the settings that have been developed the GH2 still looks like a GH2. It looks much better than with factory firmware settings but all settings share the characteristics of the GH2 which have advantages and disadvantages. To me the differences are not revolutionary, it's not like switching to a different camera model when switching from i.e. FlowMotion to Cluster V7.

  • By the way - the best way to see what @kodakmoment is talking about in his images look at the metal bars (zoomed in) next to the red car on the left.

  • @cbrandin I understand that and one should always test the settings one is intending to use. I would not be surprised though if someone reads in the setting descriptions that everything works fine and gives great quality in HBR etc., then reads some glorifying report without any indication regarding the mode and then goes out and ruins a shot. It would be their own fault of cause, but calling for some caution would be a reasonable thing to do. Unfortunately there seems to be an ongoing competition for "who develops the greatest settings" which leads to some sort of product marketing language which can be misleading.

  • @kodakmoment - There are so many different modes, etc... that it's hard for one guy (@driftwood) to get them all right at first try. I suspect the people who are really liking these are testing with 1080p - which has had more testing/adjusting than other modes.

  • @kodakmoment I mis-spoke, not raw but untouched and CC'd

  • @peternap Apologies once again. Comparisons that lead to invalid conclusions can trigger the troll in me. Among the GH2 owners and setting testers there is a bit too much cult. I think comparisons should be conducted in an objective and comparable way if they are meant to be of any help for other GH2 users.

  • @cbrandin Yes, it was HBR 25p, so it was interlaced. Thanks a lot for the clarification. I think @driftwood might want to post a warning for the 25p guys to wait with using the smooth 444 settings because it would cause them severe problems when using them for an important shoot. I have not yet tested the sharp2 settings and will report as soon as I have. Anyone intending to use them for serious work better check first.

  • @kodakmoment At least he posted something other than insults. These settings have brought out the best in the GH2 and the worst from a few of the members here!

  • @vicharris I am exaggerating but I was thinking of a "first review by some crazy guy" that Driftwood mentioned some pages earlier in this thread. I think people are getting a bit too carried away.

    The "stuff" the patched GH2 puts out is AVCHD 4:2:0 8bit at a significantly higher quality than the standard AVCHD specs but it is incorrect to call it raw.

  • @cbrandin: i was wondering if you recommend the sharp or soft version for canon fd glass? cheers

  • @kodakmoment Who on here is saying this turns the GH2 into an Alexa contender? You seem to be putting words in peoples mouths. All we're saying is this is the best raw stuff we've seen out of this camera so far.

  • @kodakmoment

    Was that interlaced footage? If so, I think I might know what the issue is. My matrix was originally designed for 1080p only. The 1080i may need some more work. Interlaced I frames are actually a mixture of I frame encoding for one part, and P frame encoding for the other. In order for that to come out right the same matrix would have to be used for I frames and P frames (and B frames too, ideally). I suspect they aren't identical, and that might be what's causing a problem.

    Interesting find. I think it shows that a little more work is needed for some settings.

  • Since we're talking about meaningful and meaningless comparisons, the other issue is, should anyone really care what comes out of the camera, if the footage produced by other settings can be made to look much the same in post? Are the differences truly qualitative, or just incidental (or imaginary)?

    It matters, because if you can get the same results using settings which require half or two-thirds of the data rate and are more reliable, why waste the bandwidth and risk shooting failures?

  • @Zaven13 Sorry for being so harsh in my earlier post. I just got a bit upset about the amount of unreflected praise for every new setting that gets released. The improvements are good and welcome. But they are not the holy grail that turns the GH2 into an Arri Alexa contender, although certain people fancy this believe. To not deceive oneself, objective testing under identical conditions is necessary.

  • @Zaven13 wish you would of done the test the same day one after another. It seems like the white balance settings where changed and/or its clear to me and anyone else that examines the screen grabs that the time these where taken are not the same. The FM shot looks more like noon because the mountains are lit to where they're no shadows, and the AN shot looks more as if the sun is going down due to the way the shadow casts onto the mountains. I've done tests myself between these two patches and can say the difference is not as dramatic as it shows with yours.

  • I'm going to record a music video really soon, and need some advice. The video will have a lot of skin tones, and will be shot in slow motion 720p (60p). I want a really soft look with nice rendering of skin tones. My lenses are a Voigtländer Nokton 25mm f/0.95 and a SLR Magic 12mm.

    Which hack would be the most suitable? I need smooth motion and a high bitrate.

  • Hi everyone, I am noticing strange artifacts in every I-frame of Nebular and DREWnet. Every 6th respectively 12th frame I get jagged edges on contours. I uploaded an example of a frame with artifacts and one without. I used both AN soft versions of the settings with the ptool 3.66 beta. The lens I used was the 20mm Pana prime. I shot in HBR 25p mode with Standard all -2, copied the private folders to my computer and compared a 5DtoRGB transcode with a FCP7 log & transfer import. In both cased I get the same artifacts. I have tried changing the timeline settings from upper to lower field because of the interlaced footage and it makes no difference. Also the original mts files viewed in the VLC player show the artifacts. Does anyone have an idea what is causing this and how it can be prevented?

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  • Here is the Nebula Sharp 2 in a run & gun situation. Shot with the Panny 14-140, transcoded to Prores LT for web delivery using 5dtoRGB. You can see how it resolves in a range of light and it has some shots that I had to use because of who is in the shot. So this edit is the typical compromise to tell the story visually, not just perfect shots.

    The results were markedly flatter, to the point where it really deserves grading, for example in @shian colorghear. Here I only had time to use FCPX, just add a little black to enhance contrast, pull some green out etc. I'll continue to test and develop a workflow, I just wish FCPX had a bridge or export to AE. Any day now, right?

  • @peternap What are you using to view the file? I'm on Media Player Classic with the CCCP codec pack. Looks fine to me.

  • @zaven13 like @sohus says reshoot exactly one after the other exact same settings, same lens, just switch between hacks for us and upload to see if we see any difference there , my guess is that it will be drastically less of a difference than those original two suggest....but would be very interested to see

  • @Zaven13 Already from the shadows on the mountain range I can clearly see that your "comparative test" is a complete waste of time for you and everyone else. Please think before posting such none-comparable images.

  • @zaven13 These comparisons are worth absolutely nothing. Different time, maybe even season. Once picture has a mudpool the other one a green lawn (also looks to be shot during golden hour).

    Reshoot on same time of day right after each other, or better, with 2 camera bodies.

  • @zaven13 your telling me that is flow motion 2 verses apocalypse now 444 soft both UNGRADED?!!!! wtf thats such a difference if these are straight from camera , same lens? same time of day? it looks like the light has totally changed or the haze just vanished in the AN shot i just can't believe there is this much difference in colour .... screw the resolution i can't see any difference with my eyes glancing at them...

  • @peternap Your operating system must have installed many codecs, try this player http://www.dvbsupport.net It has its own codecs.

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