80Mbit MJPEG 4:3 for 2x anamorphic shooting

Mihuel

@EOSHD
Dear man from the islands:)
I used the settings provided by you to the 720p mode, but left the settings of 1280 by 720. It works:). Question: If I change my resolution to 1920 by 1080 whether the image will be stretched mode from720 p, or interpolated from the sensor to 1080 p? In other words, what would be better to leave 720p and stretch in the post producji to 1080p, or do it on the camera?

nicolas

I just tried it, and it works with a true 4:3 window on the sensor. But the only real advantage I can see over a cropped 1080p avchd is the live monitoring with the dp6.
Don't you think the avchd have better image quality, resolution and gives us multiple framerates ? And you can still crop the sides in post to achieve a classic cinemascope ratio. Do I miss something here ?

nicolas

Ok, I get it ! Thank you Andrew.

EOSHD

It doesn't warp the image for the 480p MJPEG mode, it is real 4:3 but resolution looks upscaled (not true HD). Resolution is slightly better for the 720p settings no matter what you enter for the resolution, but it will always squash a 16:9 image into your dimensions, so 4:3 in this mode is just distorted 16:9.

I am using the 480p MJPEG mode for my anamorphic tests.

nicolas

I'ts seems to be impossible to set MJPEG height higher than 1080p in PTool... Is there a technical reason ? Even if there are almost no chances the GH2 can handle 1920x1600 MJPEG, I would be very curious to try it !

CRFilms

When I did my original test on the GH1 I gave up on 4:3 because LPowell's anamorphic patch showed that the camera warped the image in cam at 1920x720 it doesn't just crop it down from 1080, it's stretched and you need a anamorphic adapter to make it look right.

Do those settings work the same on the GH2? Does it also produce a warped image at 1920x720?

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Topic cleaned. Only helpful things remained.

EOSHD

Got to go to bed now, 4am here in Berlin. If anyone would like to take these settings and apply @Vincent_Pereira's suggestion of resolution, would be great.

For 2.66:1 try:
1296x1080
1152x960

Cheers guys!

EOSHD

See footage in OP.

Ptchaw

Back on topic, the footage looks amazing with those settings. Though on my 32GB card, I only get 4 minutes of footage before its full! Now that we know the GH2 is capable of such high bitrates, it should be stable at lower ones to reach a quality v file size compromise. The price of MPEG...

disneytoy

Can you do a test. Print a perfectly square box from the computer. Shoot with your Lomo. So we can compare its aspect ratio. Also a shot of the external LCD of the box. Because if both are accurate that is amazing!

EOSHD

@faultiersid No I am a lazy Englishman we don't speak foreign languages :)

If we can't get 2.35:1, I'd be happy with 2.66:1. It is certainly a big improvement over 3.55:1 in 16:9 mode. I also have a 2x Iscorama which would benefit from a less extreme aspect ratio, as would the lovely Sankors and Kowas out there.

@Vincent_Pereira thanks for the pixel advice I am going to test it anyway, since the GH2 may handle MJPEG differently to the GH1, so it will be useful to know either way. Cheers!

@disneytoy I can't work out if you are trying satire or not :)

Vincent_Pereira

If the resultant 1.33:1 image is somewhat "squished", then essentially it IS a 1.2:1 image, just with some vertical squeeze (or squishing) applied. As such, you should still be able to get it back to a proper 2.4:1 shape without distortion.

faultiersid

Only own a gh1, so maybe this isn't right for the gh2 patch:

If you set the resolution to any other aspect ratio than the standard 4:3, it doesn't change the aspect the image is recorded in, but streches it AFTER the recording.
So, there is no possibility to have a 1.2:1 aspect ratio, since this would be a squeezed 4:3 image. The correct aspect ratio with a 2x converter would still be 2.66:1

@EOSHD do you speak german?

edun

Question: does this mean it's more like anamorphic 720p, not 1080p? - like GH1?

Vincent_Pereira

If you're going with 960 pixel height, 1152 width. If 1080 height, 1296 width.

Vincent

EOSHD

Thanks @Vincent_Pereira and @faultiersid very helpful, will have to revise the settings on my next test. What would 1.2:1 be in resolution? Anyone suggest one? Has to be no higher than 1280x960, since I had a few issues with 1440x1080 and broken clips even at low bit rates.

Vincent_Pereira

Andrew, actually it is slightly stretched vertically- 1.33:1 X 2 = 2.66:1, not 2.35:1, so you didn't "unstretch" it quite enough. A frame of anamorphic 35mm film is not 1.33:1, it's closer to 1.2:1. If you want to get a perfect 2.35:1 or 2.4:1 image using the 2X anamorphics, your starting MJPEG frame should be in a 1.175:1 or 1.2:1 aspect ratio.

Vincent

faultiersid

Hm, does look a bit stretched, indeed. Maybe there's a problem with the math. 4:3 (=1.33:1) mode gives a 2.66:1 ratio with a 2x anamorphic, not 2.35 or 2.39

EOSHD

Bokeh is stretched in anamorphic footage, that's normal. The buildings are shot from a very low angle and the architectural style is such that they look very elongated. If it is off then it's not by much. Let's test...need to shoot a chart with it. Who else has a 2x anamorphic here and can test?

edun

@EOSHD: Are you really really sure? :P I also had that feeling. Buildings - and heck, everything - looked stretched as well.

EOSHD

It isn't stretched vertically, Germans are tall like that :)

fatpig

EOSHD, i have the feeling the video you posted is stretched vertically, even when the people at the end on the grass are in focus. is that just how the anamorphic lens is or did you not correct it?

EOSHD

Testing HDMI output in MJPEG mode. SmallHD converts live view to 2.35:1 but not sure if the squeeze is correct since the camera is giving out a 16:9 signal of course, but is close and looks usable for a pro shoot. Records without a hitch whist outputting to the monitor. Not had any hangs at 80Mbit yet on highly detailed wides but still testing reliability.

Also testing a Russian LOMO diopter which is very powerful, I believe somewhere in region of +5. Can get my Iscorama down to just 1ft with it (from 2 metres minimum focus distance without). Less a diopter more Sherlock Holme's magnifying glass :)

The prime is a Zeiss G 45mm F2.

EOSHD

Update. Reliability 100% so far with highly detailed scenes, but not shot a chart yet.
No in-camera playback.

JPEGsnoop results on compression:

http://www.eoshd.com/uploads/gh2hack/gh2-mjpeg-snoop.gif

Howdy, Stranger!

Categories

Tags in Topic

Top Posters