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BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K
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    • m43 sensor with native 4096 x 2160 resolution sized sensor
    • Active MFT mount
    • 12-bit RAW cinema 4K 60fps and full HD at up to 120fps
    • 13 stops Dynamic Range
    • dual native ISO up to 25,600
    • external RAW recording
    • 12-bit CinemaDNG RAW and 10-bit Apple ProRes 422 (HQ)
    • Standard open file formats compatible with popular NLE software such as 10-bit ProRes and 12 bit RAW.
    • Built-in 5" LCD touchscreen allows accurate focus when shooting 4K.
    • LCD supports on-screen overlays including status, histogram, focus peaking, and transport controls.
    • Records 4K images at up to 60 frames per second and windowed HD at up to 120 frames per second.
    • 3D LUTs can be applied for both monitoring and recording.
    • Blackmagic OS as used in URSA Mini and URSA Broadcast cameras.
    • Standard sized HDMI
    • USB-C expansion port allows longer duration recording directly to an external SSD or flash disk.
    • Canon LP-E6N or locking DC12 volt power connection
    • SD/UHS-II and CFast slots
    • Bluetooth wireless camera control
    • 3.5mm audio jack and headphone jack
    • Professional mini XLR input with 48 volts of phantom power for connecting to pro microphones.
    • Available in September 2018 (more like 2019)
    • Carbon fiber polycarbonate composite body which makes it lightweight, portable and durable.
    • Multi-function grip for quick access to recording start/stop, still photos, ISO, shutter, aperture, white balance, power and more.
    • Supports remote camera control via Bluetooth.
    • Comes with free Resolve 15 Studio
    • Product page - https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera
    • $1250

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  • I really wonder what on earth Brandon was doing to claim the battery life is under 20 minutes on an LP-E6. On the later firmwares the battery life is improved and I can get close to an hour out of my aftermarket ones. Even on the original firmware and the provided BMD battery though you should at least get double his claim.

  • Update about Firmware downgrades:

    BM switch the downgrade option of at a specific "date of production". So even some of the "BRAW" Pockets might be downgradeable... (but I don't know the exact date or how to find out which date or serial number is "old" vs. "new".

    Its still a very big fuckup and I hope that someone can hack that 6.1 Update-Tool to work with all Pockets.

  • @Ralph_B

    Ok, thats reasonable. But I'm looking for an option that would allow me to record 4k DCI 60fps uncompressed IF I ever need it. (I will however use the setup in 3:1 or 4:1 most of the time.)

    The question is: Is it possible to get 560 MB/s data write speed (+protocoll overhead) on the SATA III interface of the BMPCC 4k? I would like to test this by using a drive that can perform even faster (USB-C = USB 3.1 Gen2 can be faster than that) and pushing the Pocket to the absolut limit... and see if the controller melts;-)

    The problem is not to find a fast drive (e.g. my HyperX M.2 SSD can do 1GB/s and even is AHCI), but to find an USB-C adapter that uses a compatible chip. The ASMedia chips seem to work, like the ASM235CM, but I haven't found an enclosure with such a chip that fits a fast drive.

  • @Psyco

    I'm recording 4k 60p at 4:1 with no issues. I've not tried any lower compression because I find 4:1 to be absolutely perfect for my needs, which is high quality green screen compositing.

  • @Ralph_B

    I'm talking about the m.2 MX500, not the 2.5" version - its a different interface.

    Whats the maximum speed you get with your setup? Can you record 4k DCI 60fps uncompressed?

  • @Psyco

    Glad you got an "old" camera! I'm using a Crucial MX500 2TB with no problems.

    Forget the enclosure. Get this instead:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZPKNQYW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

  • Finally got one of the last "old" BMPCC 4k...

    What is the fastest WORKING USB-C SSD for the Pocket?

    (I did try a Crucial MX500 1TB with a Icybox SATA III to USB-C enclosure, but teh camera doesn't see the drive.)

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  • @Lohmatij DNG and CinemaDNG are two different beasts. RED has patents on any form of compressed RAW video recording, at least for the U.S. (but that's enough for other companies not to mess with RED): https://www.red.com/legal/patent https://patents.justia.com/assignee/red-com-inc

    That RED is suing all companies that implement compressed RAW video recording has been known since Atomos signed a licensing deal with RED for Prores RAW: https://ymcinema.com/2019/01/24/atomos-agrees-to-partner-with-red-instead-of-getting-into-court-due-to-infringement-of-reds-patents/

    Previously, RED sued Sony for the same, but got countersued for infringing on other Sony patents, so that both companies eventually settled in court.

  • @Lohmatij

    You better make new topic on this if you like.

    CinemaDNG had been originally engineered to avoid RED patents (as they have broader patents on raw video, not only on wavelet raw). Idea had been to have each frame stored as photo, very inconvenient, but it worked for good time.

  • Let's dig it deeper:

    "...TIFF/EP provided a basis for the raw image formats of a number of cameras. One example is Nikon's NEF raw file format, which uses the tag TIFF/EPStandardID (with value 1.0.0.0).[1] Adobe's DNG (Digital Negative) raw file format was based on TIFF/EP, and the DNG specification states "DNG... is compatible with the TIFF-EP standard".[2] " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF/EP

    Any news on Red suing Nikon or ISO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization) for patent infringement?

  • Hold on guys, I'm not getting where all the fuss with Red licensing is coming from. As per https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNG : "Digital Negative (DNG) is a patented, open, lossless raw image format written by Adobe used for digital photography." CinemaDNG is same thing with "TimeCode" and "FrameRate" tags in EXIF.

    Red Raw is completely different beast: it's a wavelet AND lossy codec, similar to JPEG2000.

    Any reliable sources on "RED suing Blackmagic for patent infringement", or is it some kind of conspiracy theory?

    As far as I know they mentioned somewhere that they got a patent claim from "some company", but as far as I understand these guys (I mean everyone in Silicon Valley ) are constantly getting claims from all kind of patent trolls, so what? Why would it affect the industry?

  • Here we go (from the official BM Forum):

    We recently had to change the type of LCD touchscreens that we use in the manufacturing of the Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. In order to use the new touchscreens, cameras were shipped with v6.2.1 of our Blackmagic Camera software. Unfortunately, cameras with v6.2.1 pre-installed will not be downgradable to v6.1 as the v6.1 software does not support the new screen.

    Sound like a cheap excuse to me.

  • @Psyco

    Well, yes.

    But reality is reality.

    RED made private agreement with BM, Adobe, Apple and many more and you will soon see Cinema DNG being phased out, decoder will stop updating already, any new GPU features won't be supported.

    I guess that soon we will see Cinema DNG to be fully removed and available only as paid addon for good cost. BM has interest in this similar to Red to try to keep blocking Kinefinity (I think Z-CAM already got the message proper) and keep it focused on internal Chinese market.

  • Here in Germany you are not allowed to switch out products without propper warning. When I ordered the camera, there where only product pictures and describtions WITH CDNG - they changed it afterwards.

  • And since the don't advertise it on the package for the cameras that are now being sold, there's still no basis for a lawsuit.

  • @cantsin Yes, they DID - its even written on the old package (as lossless RAW) and in the original datasheet and camera documentation (as cinema DNG).

  • @Psyco Blackmagic doesn't advertise CinemaDNG as a feature of the Pocket 4K, so there's no basis for a lawsuit.

  • @cantsin

    At least here in Germany removing advertised features after purchase is illegal - so, if that ends in a law suit, BMD will also have to pay for every camera they shipped which can't be downgraded.

    @konjow

    No, BRAW has its use, as has CDNG - the right tools for different jobs. Its just that I need the one that got removed (anyone in Germany want to trade an "old" vs. "new" Pocket 4k?)

  • ...here we go: The new Pocket 4k PREVENTS any downgrade!

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    Anyone with the right tools going to hack that software?

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  • is the BRaw that bad?

  • Could well be, since BM needed to pay patent royalties to RED for every camera with CinemaDNG.

  • @Ralph_B

    They are all using the "old" Pocket 4k that shipped with firmware version below 6.2. The new Pocket I got, had allready 6.2.1 as factory default and its still unclear if this new batch prevents any downgrade...