November 3rd

Vitaliy_Kiselev

As you know, many people wait for this day, hoping to see 8k, transparent 3d, 18 stops camera from Canon and another announcment from Red (now with 2050 release date).

Please post here your expectations and bets on features and prices.

cls105

I have to say im happy so far with avid 6 supporting avchd natively.
Also regardless of what comes out, i leave on a trip to india in a few weeks and ill be taking my GH2 since it the the be best video camera for the money today (imo).
Im fulltime video editor, aspiring filmmmaker using gh2 gop1 reaquainted patch.
Thank you for raising the bar on image quality with these cameras.

Aria

I see no problem with a Canon with the rumored specs. There's no disappointment if the cam has great IQ and functionality at a good price! Not everyone needs 4k but great IQ at a great price many can use. It's still a big day for all in the industry IMO. New cams with new look and feel since we know every cam has it's own look, just adds to the palette :)

Elenion

@Eugene
I sincerely doubt it'll be fullframe, most probably super 35

Eugene

whatever you see there, that what you will get, there will be no 4K, I think it will be just another F3, with 35 sensor. Something like: Canon 5DII+SonyF3= Canon EOS300C.

NickBen

I believe the recent canon rumor specs would be credible to dismiss 4K rumors,
as they want to lower expectations in advance of possibly disappointing many with 1080p

good thing we only have to wait 8 hrs to see if Canon is serious about video for cinema or a pretender

Vitaliy_Kiselev

This is rumor, to be clear :-)

@PixCanFly
:-)

PixCanFly

those are just rumor specs.

Eugene

Here are the specs:

Canon EOS 300C
EF and PL Versions
Dual CF Card Slots
Built in ND
Super35 Sensor
HDMI and HDSDI out
Hot shoe mounted monitor w/ 2 XLR ins
1920 x 1080 resolution
Also is able to record out of SDI

not much excitement for me...

soundgh2

Good ol stereo telly is still 16 bit 48k - on the rare occasion anyone even can be arsed to send me 24 bit files to mix its a pointless endeavour as its rustling radio mics with even more headroom than before

mozes

3:00PM PST/10:00PM GST : Canon Event
6:00PM PST/1:00AM GST : RED Event

http://blog.planet5d.com/liveblog/

PixCanFly

What about a Martin Scorsese signature series of Canon DSLR :) Raging RED bull.
Or perhaps Martin Scorsese will announce that you don't need anything more than a 5Dmk2 to make a good film.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/canon-red-avid-announcements-256891

qwerty123

The opening post on this thread by @Vitaliy is hilarious.

So, in that spirit, my prediction is that Canon will announce a camera that will actually scan your brain, determine whether or not you have a story worth telling cinematically, and then make it for you. :-)

stoney

A camera with an optional attachable box that would make the whole thing looking like a pro cam.

Ian_T

My guess....aint nuthin gon-happen!!

stoney

pedro

I hate to say this but usually when something is this hyped up (Canon and Red) , its a virtual guarantee to end up being anti-climactic. I hope I am wrong, I want to be wrong, but I probably won't be.

But to give both companies credit I think Red revolutionized the top end of the market (100k camcorders) and forced them to use bigger sensors (not 2/3 inch but 35mm sized) , higher bit rates (not 140 mbps but 800) and cheaper prices (not 150-250k but 65k), while Canon has revolutionized the bottom end of the market with the Dslrs which forced the use of at least bigger sensors in the lower level camcorders (fs100, f3 etc). That led to Panasonic making the Lumix Gh1 and Gh2, and then ultimately the fantastic work by Vitaliy and other people here.

My bet is we will finally see the specs on the Red Scarlet tomorrow and I can only hope they will not be so lame as to release the Scarlet as a fixed lens system. If it is at least 3k capable and given a pl mount for around 10k or less then at least its a good addition to the market, and comparable to the Ikonoskop Acam d2, but it will probably be a fixed lens, low bitrate and just 2K resolution if even that.

Frankly I am looking forward to seeing the news tomorrow but I'm betting on being disappointed.

I am actually looking forward more to playing with the next firmware release for the gh2.

stip

Lots of RED haters here :)

johnnym

I'd like a 2030 release date for the Red.

For the Canon i'd like something like the quality of the hacked GH2 but 4K and not more expensive than a 7D.

Dream on .. (if the current progress continues, a Red Epic won't be worth more than 2000$ in 2015 anyway)

No_SuRReNDeR

@mozes everything changes :(...
@B3Guy well maybe not Full-frame but I bet its at least APS-C .

mozes

Canon ... just a highend cam for pro use.
Red.... well lets hope they do what they did say years ago
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/7678/redscarlet.jpg

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@LPowell

In my mind all current audio equipment used for ADC is wastly outdated.
We must see special variable high speed amplifier and high quality 24bit ADC in one.
So, in result we'll have 24bit data with special synchronized channel for amplifier settings.
No proper level selection to avoid clipping, no limiters, etc.

LPowell

@NickBen - "10 years later, we are still mostly using 24 bit 96kHz audio..."

Unless you're planning on transcoding to 44.1kHz, 96kHz is gratuitous bandwidth. 24-bit, OTOH, makes all the difference in headroom.

danyyyel

I hope Canons come with 2 camera, using the sensor and base image quality as a reference. The higher end model that has been discussed for about $ 10 000 + and lower end model at around $ 5000/7000. The high-end model could get all the goodies like 444, future 4k output, hd-sdi, 12 bit etc. and a base model with only 2k output and 10 bit 4.2.2, hdmi but with the same DR. It would be a true upgrade path for all their dslr users that are more into video.

They have been talking a lot lately of only a $ 10000 to $ 15000 Alexa like image quality wise Canon camera. The Alexa being the champion of DR, I think it will very high dynamic range. I hope that the rumor of the second lower end AF-100/Fs100 competitor is true also. It would be closer to a true upgrade for the DSLR crowd. They just need to put at least 10 bit and 4.2.2 something you can see as an upgrade not just in terms of functionality but image quality also. They can make this market their own and I hope that they grab it. No consumer level avchd codec in a $ 5000 body should be the order of the day, fuck we are in 2011, car were suppose to fly, remember.

As for RED, I am fed up with them. So when they announce that November 3 will be their biggest launch, gives some hint that things have changed, that what was good before is no more now etc hyping and hyping, now what they are saying to the wild speculation they themselves have generated, to calm down and be a bit realistic. For example, people have been speculating that it could be S35, so red is 3 years late for their 2/3 camera and they are going to conceive a new one in less than 3 month. What a joke of a company communication. Look at the example above in the great camera shoot out on the red camera rolling shutter, tell Jim to fix that before hyping his 5k camera.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?261743-Rumor-Canon-4k-super35-camera/page58

P.s would like to see the noise of his 3k 2/3 camera ?

Hallvalla

Jannard is acting like his Scarlet announcement will be more exciting than the hype they've already put out there about it. So, what could that be?

Pretty sure they'll announce the fixed lens - probably marketing towards the doc shooters. Still think this one will be 2/3 sensor, etc.

Where I think they'll make a splash is the other version. Somewhere between the fixed scarlet and low end Epic. Bigger sensor, body only - maybe with a really high FPS 300+. I think the real wow he's been waiting to launch is an encompassing RED workflow package, something they haven't talked about like partnerships with Apple/Adobe/Avid. 12K.

I'm not expecting a whole lot beyond what they've talked about - which is good shit already - I think the results are one of the main benefits they feature.

NickBen

@Vitaliy_Kiselev Excellent link.

Same thing happened in Pro Audio in the late 90's-early 00's, where 24 bit 192kHz was pushed on Professionals to upgrade their equipment, but the final master PCM sound quality was not enough difference compared to 96kHz to justify the difference in file sizes and processing power, especially when you consider consumer-end playback systems and listening environments

10 years later, we are still mostly using 24 bit 96kHz audio, just with better sounding converters, NOT higher resolution converters. Many big studios went out of business as starving artists can now record for themselves, everywhere and anytime at 24 bit 96kHz with wonderful ambient sound on location.

There's a great post on DVXUSER from combatentropy at the bottom of the page showing side-by-side the rolling shutter issues from the Great Camera Shootout 2011 with some very expensive cameras not doing so well:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?261743-Rumor-Canon-4k-super35-camera/page58

Next time someone says something about 1080p not being enough resolution, I'd show that example about how resolution didn't help there. CCD technology is far superior in motion tests there.

I'd be happy with RAW at 10 bit 4:2:2 and global shutter on a Panasonic GH2 upgrade at 1080p until the next 8K broadcast standard becomes stone... oh well, I can dream.

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