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Xinhua: Debt financing unlikely to save Western economies
  • The Dow Jones industrial average tumbled more than 500 points Thursday, exposing the plight of western economies and their deep structural defects, notably a heavy dependence on debt financing.

    Two factors contribute to the panic in the stock exchange: market concerns over a lasting depression and the struggling U.S. economy, and uneasiness about the possible impact of the sovereign debt issues in nations such as Italy and Spain on the world economy.

    Investors are rightly pessimistic about the prospects of the U.S. economy. The United States has long been maintaining economic growth and excessive consumption by means of debt financing, hence masses of economic bubbles, which eventually triggered the financial crisis.

    Weak consumer demand leads to a slowdown in economic growth. And the only way the Americans have come up with to improve economic growth has been to take on new loans to repay the old ones. "To eat May's grain in April," however, will never be a permanent solution to a problem.




    Chances are slim that the Congress-mandated debt ceiling will be further raised. And, even if it is, lack of momentum for economic growth will bring the risk of debt default back again. Under such circumstances, how can the market calm down? As a matter of fact, the New York Stock Exchange bared its teeth before the ink had dried on the debt ceiling bill.

    Some European countries, plagued with sovereign debt issues, are now resorting to debt financing from the market as well as international organizations. It is admittedly an expedient, but definitely not an ultimate solution.

    The European Union (EU) has noted the key factor behind sovereign debt issues is that some of its members recklessly ran up debts to retain their national welfare. In contrast with a rise in welfare and costs, efficiency and competitiveness are on the decline. The current bailouts offered by international bodies such as the EU are, in a sense, to "rob Peter to pay Paul."

    As big economies, the United States and the EU wield an enormous influence on and shoulder a great responsibility for the world economy. Faced with a series of debt crises, they need to reflect on their economic and social development modes and take concrete steps to help solve the "imbalance" problem of the world economy.

    Only by introducing reform can they save themselves; only with a sound economic structure can they assume responsibility for the world economy.

    From: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/business/2011-08/06/c_131032330.htm
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  • The entire planet needs a reboot. And yes China, that includes you with your slaves, human rights abuse and corruption.
  • With debt based fiat money and compound interest it's on the cards it's going to go tits up even if the socially dominant don't abuse that privalige.

    The US (or any other sovereign country) could just mint a $12 trillion coin which would be legal tender and clear it. Such a coin would also be debt free.

    Why don't they?

    Why is interest to be paid on money in circulation?

    Maybe we'll find out soon enough. The powers that be know that human spirit is unstoppable, maybe that's why they crush it as they know it'll keep coming back and while they do they get to have cake and eat it.

    The economy may crash but the thing that makes rock 'n roll great will still keep coming and that is what has kept the western world seemingly at the top even if in reality it isn't.

    It is what is in the minds of men. Can China ever take the top spot in what is cool?

    Rock, Punk, Pop, Hip Hop, fashion?

    They have a great culture with great age old thinkers and traditions like other players but can any of them bring about that thing the western world has that captivates the globe? They only imitate at this moment. Even if it is all media hype would the western world be captivated by everybody elses media brainwash?

    Until they can or until everybody wakes up they're just gonna keep messing about till the cows come home. Crash or no crash. It's a thought in the minds of men and men are easily fooled.

    What is the bigger picture? What is the play? Why all the theatre?
  • @DrPepper

    >>The US (or any other sovereign country) could just mint a $12 trillion coin which would be legal tender and clear it. Such a coin would also be debt free.>>>

    I'm not an economist but my understanding is that would send inflation skyrocketing. Not even skyrocketing, we're talking hyperspace. Within 12 hours you'd need a trillion dollar coin to buy a cheeseburger. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.


  • Congress provided the authority, in legislation passed in 1996, for the US Mint to create platinum bullion or proof platinum coins with arbitrary fiat face value having no relationship to the value of the platinum used in these coins. These coins are legal tender. So, when the Mint deposits them in its Public Enterprise Fund account at the Fed, the Fed must credit that account with the face value of these coins. This difference between the Mint's costs in producing the coins and the credit provided by the Fed is the US Mint's profit. The US code also provides for the Treasury to periodically “sweep” the Mint's account at the Federal Reserve Bank for profits earned from these coins. Coin seigniorage is just the profits from these coins, which are then booked as miscellaneous receipts (revenue) to the Treasury and go into the Treasury General Account (TGA), narrowing the revenue gap between spending and tax revenues. Platinum coins with huge face values e.g. $2 Trillion, could close the revenue gap entirely, and technically end deficit spending, while still retaining the gap between tax revenues and spending.

    http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/07/coin-seigniorage-legal-alternative-and.html

    It's all balancing the books and it's pretty much fake, otherwise they wouldn't need all the mumbo jumbo in the first place.
  • U.S is resilient. They've bounced back from horrible circumstances before and IMO they will again. The nature of the people always comes thru in tough times. The longer you're alive the more you see and experience and come to realize that the U.S. can overcome problems when it gets motivated enough.
  • @DrPepper "Platinum coins with huge face values e.g. $2 Trillion, could close the revenue gap entirely, and technically end deficit spending, while still retaining the gap between tax revenues and spending."

    Didn't the Weimar Republic attempt to do something like this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic_inflation

    At any rate, platinum is not just a trinket, half the yearly trade is put to industrial use such as automotive catalytic converters. The banksters would not give Obama/Geithner approval to play accounting games with it.
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  • @LPowell They printed money rather than balance books with stupid coin that can fit into mumbo jumbo.

    "At any rate, platinum is not just a trinket, half the yearly trade is put to industrial use such as automotive catalytic converters."

    Wouldn't need much for a few coins.

    (k) The Secretary may mint and issue platinum bullion coins and proof platinum coins in accordance with such specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations, and inscriptions as the Secretary, in the Secretary’s discretion, may prescribe from time to time.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/usc_sec_31_00005112----000-.html

    Accounting games. That's all it is. That is all it ever has been.

  • >And yes China, that includes you with your slaves, human rights abuse and corruption.

    It is getting old.
    All this "slaves, human rights abuse and corruption".
    Last time I checked US had been far ahead in all areas you mentioned :-)

    @DrPepper

    Do not understand you idea.

    @LPowell

    Didn't the Weimar Republic attempt to do something like this..

    This is slightly different. Weimar Republic had hyperinflation. Exact reason is differen. But if you read about situation in the country (and political outcome) in that time you could read about US near future.
  • @Vitaly_Kiselev

    Coinage is issued debtfree and platinum coins can have any denomination.

    http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/07/coin-seigniorage-legal-alternative-and.html

    So, why won’t coin seigniorage, using very large face value coins, be inflationary? Here are the reasons:

    The coin(s) would never circulate among the public. It (they) would always remain on the asset side of the Fed’s balance sheet, and would always rest in a vault at the Fed. Since the platinum coin(s) never circulate(s), minting and depositing the coins at the Fed cannot possibly be inflationary.
    Depositing the coin into the Treasury’s account at the Fed will provide the Treasury with an account balance nearly equal to the stamped value of the coin(s)

    (Read link for much longer explanation)

    http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/08/coin-seignorage-and-inflation.html#comments

    Taxes don't pay anything off they just mark the amount in the accounts.

    Thomas Jefferson issued greenbacks to meet obligations. They were just created out of nothing. Coinage is created the same way unlike federal reserve notes which have interest to be paid.

    You could mint 10c coins but I think it would be costly and stupid. Mint the coin and balance the books with no interest to be paid.

    It would work but as LPowell says "The banksters would not give Obama/Geithner approval to play accounting games with it".

    So what is the bigger picture? What is the play? Why all the theatre?

  • @DrPepper

    Still do not get you.

    You can't quickly solve structural economic problems with monetary measures.
  • I know. I'm so misundertood.

    I agree it won't solve structural problem.

    They seem to have no intention of solving problem.

    So what is the bigger picture? What is the play? Why all the theatre?

  • @vitaliy
    >>>>>It is getting old.
    All this "slaves, human rights abuse and corruption".
    Last time I checked US had been far ahead in all areas you mentioned :-)>>>>>

    No way, everything we do in the US is perfect and moral. And we're also really good at bombing and killing people.