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Move on from AF 100/101?
  • We have used AF 101 as a very practical tool when making films that are distributed over Web or are used as internal companies only. I think we should move on. But we want to stay with the M43 format - it is really very good. The new AF 100/101 seems definitely not worth the money as far as I can understand.

    I guess it is hacked GH2 and GH3 that is the best call. The Black Magic are not available for a long time. Would be interesting to get some perspective here.

    Leif

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  • I think both GH2/3 and Black Magic deliver incredible quality, but fairly flawed as all round production tools that need to deliver time and again.

    I suppose it all boils down to budget. Large sensor plus ergonomics is typically not cheap. C100 looks good, as is the FS100, although lack of internal ND is disappointing. I really hope Panasonic release something soon that is competitive in the £3-6k bracket.

  • If you have an AF 101, I don't see the point of buying something else just yet. Yes, it's not the best right now, but it's good enough, and very practical with the XLR and ND filter built in. External video recorder might help a bit for extra quality.

    GH3 or GH2 need an external recorder, or an XLR adapter for sound. Yes, GH3 migh give you a bit of a push when it comes to high ISO, but is that really important?

  • I am in same boat, the AF100 series was a great all round production tool, even with it's terrible ergonomics and menu system.. The M43 format is great and i think Panny have really missed the boat here.. Panny should have released a new AF based camera with the intra frame codec, 100mbps 4:2:2 would kick ass.. Even if the camera had to use the P2 media it would be a perfect production tool because of the lens adaptability..

  • Why not just add a couple of gh2´s? (if you can find them) You´ll have the af100 for quick sound e.t.c. The gh2´s for image porno.

    Personally, I find gh2´s with a good recorder offers a lot in most situations. (I only occasionally use a rig) It´s not hard to think ahead a little bit and then you don´t need a lot of time to set up on location.

    The exceptions where the gh2´s are limited / need some extras: harsh lighting conditions (very sunny or no light, high DR scenes), when tracking a moving subject from afar - like for black box documentations- there are not a lot of good lens options for video. (In such circumstances a high quality camcorder with a built in zoom might be better). With very long lenses it´s absolutely necessary to have a very solid but fluid tripod. I´m having some hopes for the new tamron 70-200 f2.8 to be parfocal.. but I couldn´t find any info on the subject so far.

  • Within the price range, I still haven't found anything comparable to my AF100, especially due to its great XLR sound, adequate (but not exceptional) IQ, 1080p60 (with the recent costly firmware upgrade), and the MFT sensor mount. I completely agree with @truestory that Panasonic missed a great chance to succeed with 4:2:2 and at least GH2 IQ and bitrate, plus digital zoom for focus (although the focus peaking isn't too bad.) It's a great workhorse that has paid for itself many times over through gigs.

    It's a "quality" system -- not in the sense of highest specs, but rather quality in the meaning of "good enough and consistent."

  • Thank you all for your sharing your thoughts. My problems is that I right now are experiencing that something is wrong with the video-quality. It is now in a "hospital" at a local Camera-technician.

    We are using an Atomos Ninja and the AF 101 by the way.

    I can really agree on what you all say. It is a workhorse and has paid it self many times. The XLR-contacts and the ND-filter are fantastic. Depending on how successful the technician is we might just continue with recording ProRes HQ out of the 8-bit HDMI stream.

    But my main strategy right now is actually to transfer the easy workhorse (AF 101) to documentaries etc and use our hacked GH2 (Moon 5 right now) with a TRUSMT cage and Mattebox including NDfilters.

    I might very well buy a GH3, it is obvious a great camera and a price of 14 500 SEK exl VAT but incl the 12 - 35 seems more than reasonable. I guess I need to buy an extra cage for that.

    This way I can either move on to the BMC when the M43arrives or if Panny surprises us... Anyway that is how I think right now. Once more I thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject. Leif

  • @Leif_ivan

    I found little reason to go for the gh3 as it is in the present. For video it´s not really any better than the gh2. There´s a slight improvement in DR for the gh3 vs nicer texture and "sensation of time" (there´s a better term for this, that I can´t think of right now) at 24p for the gh2. When it gets ported and encoder settings are worked upon (not to mention 30 min limit removed and a cheaper price), that might change. For now the gh2 is a very cheap and very very useful camera. I would not even say the usability is any better for the gh3 but then again, I didn´t take any time to explore the wifi options when I had it, nor can I say that my kind of use is any more relevant than that of a docu shooter or something else where the updates of the gh3 might be a major difference. 1080p50 might mean a lot to some - for me I can normally manage on 720p50 or borrow an fs700 for resolution-critical slow-mo.

    I´m waiting patiently for the BMDCC with MFT mount. (Having tried the EF version, it´s clearly a useful cam and perfect ally to the gh2 for any film work IMO).

  • I would not be surprised if Panasonic announces the AF100's successor at NAB in the next two weeks. There could also be some other surprises, like BlackMagic was last year. I'd wait until at least then before buying a new camera.

  • Yes, have been thinking about that. Gh3 would then be a Good "bridge".

  • @QuickHitRecord I'll be surprised if BMCCs start showing up with MFT mounts after NAB, but also pleased. The waiting is so painful.

  • By itself, the GH2 falls short in several important video production roles. While you can buy add-ons to fill in the GH2's gaps, the AF100 offers a professional solution in a compact package:

    • Video-synchronized audio recording with full-featured XLR inputs.

    • Calibrated electronic follow-focus with Panasonic and Olympus lenses.

    • Built-in ND filters, zebras, waveform monitor, and color bar generator.

    To fill my particular needs, I could bolt a GH2 to a 15mm rails mount and add an external waveform monitor, a matte box, follow focus gear, and a Zoom H4N, plus cables and associated batteries. Or, I could plug a Manfrotto 521PFI remote controller into the AF100 and start shooting immediately.

    Which would you prefer?

  • If they get that AF100 repaired, I'd stick to it until you can get the BMCC. Going from AF100 to a camera recording RAW is a serious advantage. IMHO, switching to a rigged-up GH3 is not.

  • Just my opinion, but if i'm spending new money, i'd go for the GH3 over the GH2. They are very close but clearly the GH3 is an overall better built and more future proof product. It has more image adjustment, frame rates, moisture and dust proof, AVCHD, MOV files etc. and is already starting with a base IQ level that is beyond the base level of the GH2, so any further development should push it past the GH2 IMO. Very few users have fully explored the GH3 under every scenario yet, to even know what it's absolute best is yet. In the end I think it would make an excellent B cam for a BMC if you do end up going in that direction.

  • AF102a with its firmware upgrade is able to produce 10 bit 422 uncompressed via hdmi. The catch is that the output is not native 10 bit, it's apparently more of a "signal". Anyone has tried the new firmware, and found a difference?