Canon Cinema EOS C300 topic

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Cinema EOS C300 and the EOS C300 PL announcment.

•Single 8.3 megapixel 2160×3840 Super-35 CMOS sensor (4K resolution) with Digic DV III processor
•Canon XF codec (50Mbps 4:2:2 1080p30 MPEG2 MXF) records to two Compact Flash card slots
•Canon Log gamma, SDI, compact body, Custom Presets and menus similar to Canon XF series
•Exposure and focus control are completely manual — there is no AE or AF on either camera
•Sold as a system, incl. LCD monitor / XLR audio unit, side grip, top handle, batt. & charger
•Availability: Jan. 2012; Price: appx. $16,000 USD (for C300)

Canon claims the camera resolves 1,000 TV lines

Links:

http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/c300_for_cinematographers.shtml?categoryId=22
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/understand_log_gamma.shtml?categoryId=22
http://www.thec47.com/gearbox/c300-day.html

Wi-Fi remote control from tablet:

Lenses:

B3Guy

"Cinema EOS" + "best optical equipment" = new lenses?

skiandbike

A lot smaller than I imagined in the handheld configuration.

fatpig

other live blog can be found here:
http://blog.planet5d.com/liveblog/

B3Guy

watching both. new lenses, new c300 camera.

driftwood

looks interesting...

fatpig

me too. gosh i hope its affordable. or it will get smaller brother , like gh2 and af101

B3Guy

RED just might be peeing their pants right now.

arrgh, why are they not live streaming this event?! And why no specs yet?

driftwood

5d mkIII in a new box, quad digics? INTRA (i'll bet) and AVC 2

fatpig

if it has shot a cinema movie... like "max is back" - its gotta be more than 1080p, right? Im waiting for the dynamic range to be announced.. its really exciting

B3Guy

yup. the "no compression issues" probably means intra . . . but could mean some form of RAW if we're extremely lucky.

driftwood

looks quite noisy!

simensito

http://nofilmschool.com/2011/11/canon-cinema-eos/

Aiming at the F3 I guess?

GOODEMPIRE

Noisy, I agree. I wonder if these pictures really represent actual footage.

B3Guy

ru guys there?

Vitaliy_Kiselev

•Single 8.3 megapixel 2160×3840 Super-35 CMOS sensor (4K resolution) with Digic DV III processor
•Canon XF codec (50Mbps 4:2:2 1080p30 MPEG2 MXF) records to two Compact Flash card slots
•Canon Log gamma, SDI, compact body, Custom Presets and menus similar to Canon XF series
•Exposure and focus control are completely manual — there is no AE or AF on either camera
•Sold as a system, incl. LCD monitor / XLR audio unit, side grip, top handle, batt. & charger
•Availability: Jan. 2012; Price: appx. $16,000 USD (for C300)

The 8.3 megapixel Super-35 sensor in the C300 is a new CMOS design by Canon. It is not borrowed or re-engineered from the still photography side of the company; instead it has been created “from the ground up” and dedicated specifically to digital cinema applications. The sensor has a resolution of 2,160 pixels tall by 3,840 pixels wide, which qualifies as native 4K. Canon claims that rolling shutter skew is greatly reduced in this sensor relative to current HD-DSLR camera models. Also, each frame can be scanned by the Digic DV III processor more quickly compared to an HD-DSLR, such as the 21 megapixel CMOS sensor in the Canon EOS 5D Mk. II, which has 2.5 times as many pixels as the C300.

Canon says that their Digic DV III processor reads this new sensor differently; it does not use the line-skipping method found in high-res HD-DSLR sensors. Instead, every four pixels (two green, one red, and one blue) are sampled for each final output pixel. In other words, color is assembled the same way as a traditional three-chip sensor block… two megapixels of red, two megapixels of blue and four megapixels of green (twice as much green as red or blue, since green carries the luminance info). Each primary color sampling off of the sensor is native 1920×1080, each color value alone is equal to the final output resolution. Canon claims that the processed signal has 1,000 lines of TV resolution, and the moire, diagonal line stair-stepping and other artifacts are greatly reduced in this chip compared to HD-DSLR cameras.

Via: http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/canon-eos/canon-usa-announces-cinema-eos-c300-and-eos-c300-pl-cameras.html

GOODEMPIRE

16K?????

B3Guy

yea . . . not including glass?

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Focus and exposure are completely manual; there is no AF or AE mode on the C300 or C300 PL. Nor are there any semi-automatic program modes such Aperture Priority (Av) or Shutter Priority (Tv), commonly found on all Canon camcorders and photo cameras.

The person or company owning a stable of Canon EF lenses will have to make a decision based on the type of work that they’re doing: will they need autofocus or not? If not, the C300 camera will suffice. But anyone wanting to use autofocus on a Canon EF or EF-S lens — which is a primary feature of the EF line — will be better served by choosing a RED Digital Cinema DSMC camera equipped with RED’s own DSMC Titanium Canon EOS mount, which fully supports autofocus and other EF lens features.

Never do things half way :-)

GOODEMPIRE

I mean.... this is an ARRI class camera... it tells a lot about the direction for whole industry. How can they ask 2500 for a full frame DSLR since now?

fatpig

16k sounds great! still waiting for the DR!

B3Guy

yup. sounds like if it has shortcomings anywhere, its in low lit scenes.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Codecs:

It is a 50Mbps 4:2:2 MPEG2 codec utilizing the widely supported .MXF wrapper, writing 1080p30 and 720p60 video to Compact Flash at a choice of either 50Mbps or 35Mbps. 1440×1080 HDV is also an option at 25Mbps for even longer recording times per CF card.
The C300′s menu system interface is practically identical in fuction and appearance to the one used in all of the other Canon XF series camcorders, and the Custom Preset menu is a close twin as well

B3Guy

hang, on . . . it has a 4K sensor, but records 1080p?

GOODEMPIRE

someone just has to hack it:)

Vitaliy_Kiselev

Yes, 1080p30 max, 720p has variable frame rates.

I think real limitation is cheap camcorder LSI inside.

fatpig

gh2 also has a sensor which can make large photos, but not movies. processor is not designed for such task.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

It is always good sign.
If you see big marketing fluff and lost of films some tech things can be not so good :-)

stonebat

wow. it looks great. i like the way they hang the monitor. that lens looks special.

last_SHIFT

So much hoopla and NO 1080/60p?

last_SHIFT

Does 'look' great though :-)

GOODEMPIRE

so what's left for 60p? a77?

B3Guy

Scorsese? REALLY?! (geez, they're sure drawing this out before spilling beans on the specs.)

nicolas

I'm no Red fanboy, but me think they'll gonna eat Canon for breakfast.

Aria

In the end can u make a movie with it? Heck yeah! It doesn't matter to me the tech specs. Just give me an image that let's the story be told. $16k sounds fair given what an F3 with S Log or RED Epic costs.

B3Guy

yeah, but what does a GH2 cost. even with peripherals and lenses? Not $16k.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

I think Canon want to set the record. Make longest presentation and announce specs only after all people will fall to sleep :-)

johnnym

RED are so going to crush this thing.

Pity we'll be waiting till we've grey beards to get a Scarlet.

nicolas

@Aria : Sure, but let's see the spec/price ratio of the scarlet ! I could be completely wrong on that one but I think it's not gonna be more expensive than 15k.
And we already making movies with GH2, right ? ;)

hishimaru

Its priced to attack the F3, but the F3 has Dual SDI out for 444 uncompressed external recording..
this does not..
Also no slow mo for 1080 is disappointing at this pricepoint

Vitaliy_Kiselev

And as usual, people outside presentation room got all details first :-)

driftwood

Theyve obviously gone all out for colour rendition

stonebat

stay tuned!!!!

skiandbike

Note the new DSLR style body on the left in this shot: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/11/201111035819.jpg

Interesting...

B3Guy

is 1080p for sure, though? how did DIVINFO get specs before the announcement?

Aria

Now all we need is the RED Scarlet info and this day shall be complete. RED Scarlet has to come in below $10k... Please :)

B3Guy

@skiandbike good catch! interesting indeed . . .

B3Guy

looks like it does have their red "C" badge on it, and therefore is not simply an example of the new lenses working on DSLR.

stonebat

@skiandbike the new dslr on the left has "C" mark.

Vitaliy_Kiselev

@B3Guy

>how did DIVINFO get specs before the announcement?

It is article with preset publishing time.
Many people knew the specs :-) NDA just prevents them to disclose details until certain date and time.

B3Guy

gotcha. what about this DSLR though?

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