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2014 m43 cameras, including GH5 aka 4K Wizard
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  • @B3Guy Nicely said the GH2 is still an amazing little camera, would not trade it for nothing.

  • Ah, I love being broke. I can just be happy with my GH2 and not have to think about what new camera to buy. Thanks, @Vitaliy_Kiselev for hacking the GH2. Truthfully, it brings me a lot of joy every time I use it with modified firmware.

  • My first post here. I just purchased a GH2 and am very happy with it.

    As a colour grader and professional editor, I would like to see 10 bit 4:4:4 from the camera. 4k is just not necessary unless going to feature film release. Fully sampled colour at luminance resolution and dynamic range allows a lot more control in grading and effect work. I grade Canon C300, 5D, Sony XD-Cam and Blackmagic CC. By far the best results come from the BCC due to the RAW data.

  • @gh2uw,... lol james cameron and peter jackson's cameras/computers/lenses/vfx people would just be cameras/computers/lenses/vfx people without james cameron and peter jackson directing them,... but we're getting OT here :P

  • Hmm, GH5 features i would like to have:

    1. Removable wireless LCD screen monitor 4" that could work as a remote control too :-) (you can place it wherever you want on your rig ) ...

    2. over 100 fps for slow motion (full hd)

    4k ? no i still have an old tv 720p HD-Ready also you can upscale Full HD to 4K (if needed) in post production, gh3 have already very sharp image ...

    1. battery grip with place for two batteries also magnesium housing.

    4 ... ?

    I think this would be great ... possibly 4.2.2

  • @Raysito22

    The choice which now exits for us entry-level players is fantastic. For me (a well published still photographer since the 70's) serious video first became viable with the introduction of HDV several years ago...and really took of with the Canon 5D2 and the GH1 hack.

    Got excited about 3D...for about a month. But I see 4k as the next logical step. Baby steps at first (maybe 2013, maybe 2014) but relatively soon I will be regarding today's rather excellent 50p 70mbps material from my GH3 with the same amusement that I look at the image quality of my archived super 8/16mm and DV tapes.

    What I've seen of 4k is breathtaking. Perhaps less suitable where suspension of disbelief is required (The Hobbit...don't want to see the rubber noses and cardboard sets)...but very appropriate for the wildlife documentary photographer and others who are attempting to capture the full beauty of the real world.

    Besides, no way will 4k mean the demise of 2k...at least for a long, long time. I suspect that both types of cameras will continue to evolve in parallel as long as a demand remains for 2k.

  • @GH2UW If consumer/prosumer cameras move towards 4k, and even more when talking about 1-5k $ cameras, I don't really think they'll be doing anything better than Canon's 1DC, not this year at least. Canon 1DC is 4k gimmicks...and most of our HDSLRs are 1080p gimmicks too. Even so, they give us a lot to work with and to impress the audience, but 1080p could look a lot better thant it does today. Think of Arri Alexa 1080p prores.

    I didn't assume you were saying 1DC is better than BMCC, I just tried to make a point about how big companies take little, stupid steps forward mostly in the name of marketing, and we never get what we truly want. I believe you said 4k cameras this year might overtake BMCC and low-end REDs, maybe I just missunderstood you. I tried to say I don't see that happening as of now (though I'd be delighted if it happened obviously!).

    Lets hope video does reach the point photography has reached today, where any DSLR (or CSC) camera is an almost no-limit tool for artists. But video is much more complex, so I guess we are few years away from that. Hopefully, little companies making cheap RAW cameras might pace up the race towards what we really ask for. As of today, BMCC is the camera that gets closer to that point in my opinion. Just add better ISO, more fps, global shutter, et voila. That would be the dream.

    Anyway, we'll see and talk a lot this year about new cameras. I'll just wait and talk then, as I'm the skeptical guy here hehe. And enjoy your GH3! :)

  • @bumsklumpen

    If you are just entering the wonderful world of video DSLRs then starting out with a GH2 is a very good move. Even with the very positive impression I'm getting with my new GH3, I'll still probably keep at least one GH2 for a while...if only to hack it now and then to keep in practice:-)

  • @GH2UW, thank you for your recommendation, i got a new gh2 for a good price when gh3 came out. i did go with the gh2 because i thought it will be good enough to learn DSLR video, as this is my first camera. i really like it.

  • @brucker

    "and to confuse the techy side of photography with the arty side of photography would be a silly thing to do,... they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other."

    ...tell that to James Cameron and Peter Jackson...:-)

  • 4k tv's are going up on display here in japan,... and this was in the smaller city of fukuoka so no idea how much theyre pushing it in tokyo and osaka.

    but alot of people got new tv's last year when the tv stations all went digital,... and i reckon 4k just wasnt ready then so they threw in the 3D thing,.. so just how much theyre going to push or going to be able to push 4k remains to be seen.

    and to confuse the techy side of photography with the arty side of photography would be a silly thing to do,... they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

  • @Raysito22

    "There's already a 4k DSLR 8 bit 4:2:2. I'm talking about Canon 1DC. If you think that's better than Blackmagic's 12 bit RAW, and that's general opinion, then at last I can say I don't understand the human race at all. I hope it's not that way."

    Why do you assume that I would think the Canon 1DC is somehow better than BMCC...just because it's 4k? It's pretty crappy 4K (and overpriced) and I wouldn't hesitate to choose a BMCC in preference. Perhaps I should have included it as an example of 4k gimmicks, along with the JVC 4 SD card camera.

    The rest of what you say about 4k reminds me of:

    "Everything that can be invented has been invented." Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899

    @bumsklumpen

    "i'm glad i have no gh3, mwahaha. what a fail"

    Haha...don't be so sure. I finally got mine this morning and have been evaluating it all day under more relaxed conditions than the few minutes I played with one before. Superb little camera! (...and I even like the EVF) and a worthy upgrade from the hacked GH2's.

  • Will the GH5 still be classified as a consumer grade camera by Panasonic though?

  • i'm glad i have no gh3, mwahaha. what a fail

  • @raysito22 yeah, but technology continues to move at a faster pace each day.

  • I'm really skeptical we are moving towards 4k this soon. Cameras usually are the last step, Canon 1D C seems an anomally to me. Even if it was the rule, that would mean to me we are taking that "old" photography resolution stupid race approach in video too. And that would be a shame when there are other things so much more important to improve, in my very modest opinion.

    @GH2UW There's already a 4k DSLR 8 bit 4:2:2. I'm talking about Canon 1DC. If you think that's better than Blackmagic's 12 bit RAW, and that's general opinion, then at last I can say I don't understand the human race at all. I hope it's not that way.

    Even worse, people might really think it is better after 4k TVs marketing advertisements come through. We are turning towards resolution instead of DR, which would mean we've totally forgotten the etymology of the word "photography". Most people don't give a shit about resolution (prior to marketing brainwashing that is), Full HD is ok and there's no money to spend on upgrading again for most families (and things keep getting worse economically). Also, 4k means more bandwidth when up/downloading to the net. DR differences can be seen even at 360p.

    And BTW, I'm not saying resolution isn't something that should be improved in the near future. It's just that I don't see it as a major priority right now, as for "where should 'the seventh art' and the human race evolve to" when there's such limited color info and DR with todays 8 bit cameras.

    Making cameras with more DR is where the deal is to me. I don't care about 4k 8 bit at all. And lets hope I don't have to care about it - not at least for the next 3 years. We are getting used to seeing less colours, crushed blacks and clipped whites just in favour of sharpness. And that happens just as the human race is losing its ability to distinguish colours. Daltonism and other color related sight issues are on the rise guys. We shouldn't help that happen even faster.

    This far I'm leaving appart real resolution, as even most recent 1080p HDSLRs don't actually have 1080 lines of resolution. Lets keep it that way, you get the point.

    Would you chose thinner brushes over a bigger color palette? Yeah, I'm that kind of guy...who sometimes writes after drinking too much beer. Sorry if I'm not making much sense.

  • easy way to know is to wait until NAB and see how factual this chart turns out to be...

  • I guess if this really is the case I'm going to sell my gh3 while it still has high value lol

  • @Bara

    "I dont think that Panasonic would be so dumb to release a new camera yet. I am sure they want to profit from the GH3, otherwise a new gh5 with 4k would make the GH3 redudant. Maybe in Dec 2014."

    Give the recent massive losses of Panasonic (10 Billion dollars!), Sony and others...and the failure of consumer 3D (part of the reason), they are now pinning their hopes on 4k. They are probably going to bring forward the release of 4k panels, players (Sony Playstation 4) and cameras. The GH5's earlier release could be in anticipation of what's coming from Sony, JVC and Canon later this year. I get the feeling that the GH3 is regarded by Panasonic as a brief stop-gap model...

    I recently saw a huge 84 inch 4k panel from LG...and it image was stunning; a totally different experience to 2k. For me the arrival of functional 4k (not JVC multi-card gimmicks) prosumer cameras can't come soon enough!

    I think it's also going to shake up the market in a big way...with us little fish the winners. But possibly bad news for RED's lower end market share; and the likes of BMCC...who will still be struggling to solve issues and fill 2k back-orders even as 4k arrives.

    @feha

    "Hmm, they first must sell a lot of GH3, than GH3 must be hacked, after our feedback they will come out with GH5 :-)"

    Ha ha...what happens in the GH2/3 hack community is of zero consequence to Panasonic and their release schedule (as opposed to features). There no doubt are unmarked prototype GH5's out in the wild even today...:-)

  • Hmm, they first must sell a lot of GH3, than GH3 must be hacked, after our feedback they will come out with GH5 :-)

    Can we make a wish list of features already on this thread or it must be new thread ?

  • E-M7? NEX-9? Sure why not GH5? I can skip GH3. GX2 with built-in evf and Gh5 codec would be interesting.

  • @L1N3ARX They aren't having any trouble with PS4 lol

  • Theyre going to have to start moving quicker than they have in the past with a high end product (thats for sure) because the competition - as you can see in the chart above - is hotting up. It wouldn't suprise me if they did manage a launch by Dec 2013 - and fingers crossed we get a h265 4K encoder.

  • I dont think that Panasonic would be so dumb to release a new camera yet. I am sure they want to profit from the GH3, otherwise a new gh5 with 4k would make the GH3 redudant. Maybe in Dec 2014.

  • @GravitateMediaGroup GH4 is bad luck in many asian countries. "4" is almost never a model number in any type of consumer product.

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