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Panasonic moved all force to Full Frame bodies, 8K HDR will be announced in March
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  • So create an entirely new universal mount or have Canon & Nikon as the 2 main mounts or Nikon or Canon as the only main mount? Fun and a great idea but in what alternate universe is this possible?

    In our universe, just after defeat of capitalism.

    Making more mounts just means making more parasites on your necks.
    And having camera press and bloggers prizing it means that they are service workers of parasites.

    As sigma is part of the 3 companies working on this mount, I wonder how their lens prices will affect Panasonic and Leica because I don't see them all of sudden decided to jack up the prices of their lenses. We will know very soon. Wait, I take that back, I am pretty sure they will not announce prices until next year close to when they are about to ship.

    Sigma can just add a little to their price and keep line to the selected Art lenses only.

  • "It is most fun that at the time where industry badly needed fast reduction of different mounts into 1 or 2"

    So create an entirely new universal mount or have Canon & Nikon as the 2 main mounts or Nikon or Canon as the only main mount? Fun and a great idea but in what alternate universe is this possible?

    As sigma is part of the 3 companies working on this mount, I wonder how their lens prices will affect Panasonic and Leica because I don't see them all of sudden decided to jack up the prices of their lenses. We will know very soon. Wait, I take that back, I am pretty sure they will not announce prices until next year close to when they are about to ship.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev if Panasonic prices the cameras too high then they will shoot themselves in the foot because Sony is really competitive with the A7R3 and the A73. Canikon blew it with their mirrorless cameras I am not interested at all. The main thing I don't like about the Sony's are the ergonomics. Nikon, Canon, and Panasonic got the ergonomics down packed IMO. We shall see what they do and if Panasonic get's to greedy they will lose out.

  • Panasonic high End Full Frame camera

    • Close to 50 Megapixels
    • L-mount
    • Panasonic designed and manufactured sensor
    • 4k60p
    • IBIS
    • 150 Megapixel stills in Pixel Shift mode
    • Dual card slot (one card should be SD)
    • Price below the Sony A9 (close to $4,000)

    Panasonic entry level Full Frame camera

    • 20+ megapixels
    • L-mount
    • Panasonic designed and manufactured sensor
    • 4k60p
    • IBIS
    • Dual card slot (one card should be SD)

    Where you read "Panasonic designed and manufactured sensor" should be "Sony designed and manufactured sensor, rebranded as Panasonic".

    You will really "like" the prices.

    As Panasonic PR slowly leaks info to 43rumors (now L-rumors), I'll post my own leak.

    Long time ago during management meeting main arguments to go FF had been much higher margins on bodies and, much more important(!), on lenses!

  • @matthere

    We'll see. I think not, most probably it will be provided under license.

  • Presumably the L mount is open? Hence the current collaboration.

  • It is most fun that at the time where industry badly needed fast reduction of different mounts into 1 or 2 companies driven by greed invented just new ones, closed and incompatible.

  • There is a new website, www.l-mount.com, registered by Leica, that had a red+blue infinity sign with a mount inside. It is removed by now. See the picture here: https://www.d-pixx.de/2018/09/l-mount-com-eine-homepage-macht-neugierig/ I wonder if the website will be active on tuesday.

  • So Panasonic, Leica, and Sigma are banding together to agree on one type of mount the L-mount? This seems very beneficial for the manufacturers and end users as well. I am very excited about this announcement. Finally we can have one lens mount and purchase cameras from either Panasonic, Sigma or Leica. This sounds to good to be true. Too bad Olympus is not on board that would be the icing on the cake. Am I missing something here?

  • This is the link to the live stream to the Panasonic press conference on Tuesday September 25th

  • I am very interested in how this plays out with all party's involved. IMO if Panasonic does this correctly they will be able to convert a big chunk of hybrid shooters over to this new platform. I will wait and see how this all plays out, but I hope Panasonic nails it so I can finally get off of Nikon's NIPPLE LOL

    So far specs look great but we shall see.... I also hope that they can nail color science because this is very important to me as well. I love taking pictures without having to finesse the colors saves a lot of time... Fuji has this in spades if Panasonic can nail the color science with this FF camera this might be the home run!

    In terms of pricing $3300.00 seems reasonable for the high resolution camera 40mp+ but for a lower resolution camera they need to stick to the $2000.00ish threshold. This is mandatory IMO and would keep them competitive with Sony. Great times that we live in all this technology at our finger tips ;-)

  • Olympics always seem like an event for photographers as opposed to videographer, given the lack of access to the competition field for them to film. This is why during the Olympus is when Canikon release long telephoto lenses for ppl to take photos from far away. Video will likely be limited to broadcast infrastructure and studio recording for 8K as opposed to consumer 8k.

  • @NickBen

    At most we can have 8K or upscaled 8K at 24-30fps until 2020.

    Issues and costs of new silicon processes will also play role here.

  • @Vitaliy_Kiselev Let's spitball the 24 month Panasonic rollout from a management perspective...

    Since the 2020 Japan Olympics opens July 2020 (roughly 21 months from now), do you think the 3 launch dates Panasonic marketing department are possibly looking at for 8K video will play out over 2 years as follows:

    2019 April NAB release the 8K 30fps body with 8K Timelapse feature, 4K 60fps

    2019 Sept IBC release the 8K 60fps, 4K 120fps body with IBIS for Video Shooters

    2020 April NAB release the "Olympic" 8K 120fps video High FPS premium body and 8K lenses, of course with special commemorative badge

    That way, they can match Sony release pattern of disposable new body releases with no firmware feature improvements, and have product to demo with their 8K TV lineup?

    I can definitely see the marketing department saying "Official camera & TV of Olympics", etc with the "Olympic" 120fps High Frame rate 8K edition and 8K lenses for 2020 going forward, and constant loops of 8K Olympic footage on their TV's in stores worldwide.

    Sounds like a decent enough rollout plan- am I hired?

    ;-D

  • I have prediction

    yesterday it was www.slrumors.com
    today it is l-rumors.com
    tomorrow it will be.... brain-tumors.com

  • @tosvus

    This can be saved to presentation, or even on second round of it.

  • No 8K though..

  • @AKED

    And, looking to this, cameras will use Sony made sensors (ala Nikon bodies do).

    So, my source had been right.

  • L rumors writes what will be possibly announced by Panasonic on September 25th:

    1. Entry level Full Frame L-mount camera with IBIS, 4k60p and Low Resolution Sensor
    2. Pro level Full Frame L-mount camera with IBIS, 4k60p and High Resolution Sensor (close to 50MP)
    3. New Full Frame 24-70mm zoom lens
    4. New Full Frame 50mm fast prime
    5. New Full Frame 70-200mm zoom prime
  • it would be wise for panny to make use of their m43 lenses since many telephoto lenses actually can cover APCS image circles.

  • Unless it is a L mount with shorter flange depth, which seems unlikely.

  • using an SL mount basically means there is no way to adapt m43 lens on it, which could be useful for crop mode.

  • "Panasonic-Leica-Sigma will announce a new partnership around the SL mount FF system"

    I told you that is why Leica and Panasonic have a press conference in the same room right after each other at Photokina next week.

  • @AKED

    I just told above - Andrea is going to rise his empire :-)

    Now it is from slrrumors to slrumors.