Tagged with lens - Personal View Talks http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussions/tagged/lens/feed.rss Tue, 05 May 15 05:13:27 -0600 Tagged with lens - Personal View Talks en-CA RJ Lens Turbo m43 adapters http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/9086/rj-lens-turbo-m43-adapters Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:13:02 -0700 Vitaliy_Kiselev 9086@/talks/discussions image


Above is Nikon F/G - m43 0.71x.


  • m42 to m43
  • Nikon F /G to m43 (new, with tripod mount ring, check photo above)
  • Canon EOS (passive) to m43 (new, with tripod mount ring, check photo above)
  • Canon FD to m43
  • Monolta MD to m43
  • Pentax K to m43
  • Pentax PKA to m43 (for lenses without aperture rings)

Improved optics making is sharper than Mitakon offerings.

Price: adapters without tripod mount - $122, with tripod mount - $129
Shipping: Price already includes shipping for all countries.

I want to buy this adapter.

FS: Canon FD Lens Collection, RJ Speedbooster, Lanparte Gear Rings http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12923/fs-canon-fd-lens-collection-rj-speedbooster-lanparte-gear-rings Sun, 03 May 2015 16:41:10 -0600 x_worpig_x 12923@/talks/discussions I'm selling off my FD collection because they have been sitting on my shelf for 6 months now. Everything is in great condition. I want to stress that i'm selling this as a bundle, and will not be parting anything out. I need money fast, and I just don't have the time to deal with multiple sellers.

The package includes:

3 Lanparte Focus Rings RJ Speedbooster (FD to m43) Regular Adapter (FD to m43) Canon 20mm 2.8 Canon 24mm 2.0 Canon 50mm 1.4 Canon 50mm 1.8 Canon 100mm 2.8 Cloth

Here are better pictures of the lenses: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9uvcCfg0MekfnNuMUFtTlR3U3lZWEEzbmZ2cGxYSWQ1bUl5eFBLUTRHbkdxZjRDSmlfVlk&usp=sharing

Price $450 U.S shipped for everything.

Kowa m43 cine lenses lineup http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8767/kowa-m43-cine-lenses-lineup- Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:22:52 -0700 astraban 8767@/talks/discussions image

Some good news for the format (including an 8,5 mm f/2.8)

100-300mm Panasonic m43 lens topic http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2051/100-300mm-panasonic-m43-lens-topic Wed, 18 Jan 2012 19:42:11 -0700 Vitaliy_Kiselev 2051@/talks/discussions image

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How lenses are made http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/51/how-lenses-are-made- Wed, 04 May 2011 08:41:59 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 51@/talks/discussions

Cosina video

14-150mm F3.5-5.8 Di III Tamron m43 zoom lens http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/5941/14-150mm-f3.5-5.8-di-iii-tamron-m43-zoom-lens Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:40:50 -0700 Vitaliy_Kiselev 5941@/talks/discussions image


  • Focal length - 14-150mm (equivalent to 28-300mm in the 35mm/full-frame format)
  • Maximum aperture - F/3.5-5.8
  • Lens construction - 17 elements in 13 groups
  • Minimum focus distance - 0.5m (19.7 in.)
  • Maximum magnification ratio - 1:3.8 (at f=150mm: MFD 0.5m)
  • Filter size - φ52mm
  • Length - 80.4mm (3.2 in.)
  • Entire Length - 85.24mm (3.4 in.)
  • Diameter - φ63mm
  • Weight - 280g (9.9 oz.)
  • No. of diaphragm blades - 7 (Circular diaphragm)
  • Minimum aperture - F/22
  • Flower-shaped lens hood included
  • m43 mount

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Samyang/Rokinon cine lenses http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4029/samyangrokinon-cine-lenses Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:28:27 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 4029@/talks/discussions Rokinon 35mm T1.5 cine lens will be available in U.S in few weeks and Rokinon 24mm T1.5 & 14mm T3.1 cine lens will be available in U.S in September.

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Cheap anamorphic lenses for m43 http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/2455/cheap-anamorphic-lenses-for-m43 Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:01:34 -0700 ipcmlr 2455@/talks/discussions Was looking for a cheap anamorphic lens to be used on personal videos... Anyone have any suggestions?

25mm f1.4 Leica DG Summilux http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/712/25mm-f1.4-leica-dg-summilux- Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:04:25 -0600 Mimirsan 712@/talks/discussions

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I sold my 20mm and gots me one of these babies a few days back (first batch in UK) for a really good price (under £400 early display copy no box or pouch but got the hood!).
Also owning a Voigtlander 25mm 0.95 & Voigt 35mm f1.4 Id thought I would share my personal thoughts in comparison.
Well to start...The lens is good....damn good.
Sharp even at F1.4 Detail and rendition of colour is beautiful.
AF is very fast and accurate on my GH2 not so fast on my GF1...but still faster than the 20mm f1.7
Very controlled image...by this I mean it has very little CA and no flares

But heres the Cons
Price...I was lucky to get this cheap but general UK retail is near £560!...that im sorry is ludicrous...It has astounding optics and yeah okay f1.4 with fast accurate AF is probably why but no!
Why? Build...Plastic! (albeit harder plastic than other Panny lenses)
The voigts FEELS expensive (heck even my Super Tak 50mm f1.4 feels more expensive) you know its crafted...but the Leica? Just off the mass produced factory line...for that price we deserve SOLID BUILD!

Lacks the ability for creativity because of its very controlled image...by this I mean its lacking character...much like the 20mm f1.7.
You can have more creative image with the Voigt.
Focus ring for MF...I just dont like it...theres no give...its just silly smooth so hard to be pinpoint accurate. The Voigt has very nice dampened focus ring and can be accurate even at f0.95

I would say if it was cheaper then get one as it is really superb...but as the price is very close to the voigt 25mm f0.95 I would say get that if you can live without the AF as it gives more stops of light and feels like you bought something that justifies the cost.
Is it better than the 20mm?....absolutely without question BUT if you have the 20mm and cant afford the Leica...dont lose sleep over it.

Anyway I leave this with a quick snapshot of my little girl taken with the Leica & GF1 (both at f1.4 in jpg right out of camera no post)...I was amazed by the detail even on a ye olde GF1 so can give you a idea of the quality.

15-30mm F2.8 Tamron http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11347/15-30mm-f2.8-tamron Sun, 21 Sep 2014 03:58:23 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 11347@/talks/discussions


40mm f0.85 Handevision IBELUX coming to m43 http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/9079/40mm-f0.85-handevision-ibelux-coming-to-m43 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 23:41:08 -0700 Vitaliy_Kiselev 9079@/talks/discussions image


A mutual passion for photography and the art of image capture between two companies’ owner has led two special firms, Shanghai Transvision and German IB/E Optics, to collaborate on an industry-shaking new innovation. By merging Geman high-quality engineering standards with Chinese cost-effective production infrastructure, the new camera lens brand Handevision (“Han” means China in Mandarin and “De” is the word for Germany).

After many months of collaboration between engineering and production teams, final quality control assessments have concluded and the IBELUX 40mm f0.85 high-speed lens, the fastest lens in the world, is nearly ready for release. Available for sale by February, 2014, this lens will be available for Sony NEX, Fuji X, Canon EOS M and Micro 4/3 digital mirrorless camera mounts (MSRP is $2,080 USD).




FS: Zeiss ZF F1.4 50mm (Nikon Mount) Boxed as New http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12864/fs-zeiss-zf-f1.4-50mm-nikon-mount-boxed-as-new Thu, 23 Apr 2015 23:07:24 -0600 thougts2uk 12864@/talks/discussions Hi there,

I am selling my Zeiss ZF (nikon mount) F1.4 50mm lens. It comes boxed as new. I only used this for one project and now that has come to an end I no longer need the lens. I will also include free the Nikon mount to MFT adapter. Comes boxed with all the original documentation.

$500 including postage.

Email me any questions directly; stuart.howe@gmail.com

35mm F2 YUNGNUO lens for Canon http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12092/35mm-f2-yungnuo-lens-for-canon Sun, 04 Jan 2015 05:48:43 -0700 Vitaliy_Kiselev 12092@/talks/discussions image

  • Closest focusing distance - 0.25m
  • 7 aperture diaphragm



35-100mm F2 Olympus 43 lens http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/500/35-100mm-f2-olympus-43-lens Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:49:38 -0600 Jspatz 500@/talks/discussions Sigma lenses win Global Awards - Twice http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12829/sigma-lenses-win-global-awards-twice Sun, 19 Apr 2015 05:25:15 -0600 goanna 12829@/talks/discussions

SIGMA wins TIPA Awards 2015 Global Vision Lenses, for Zoom and Prime


(Mark Roeder, April 2015) top technology combined with the highest image quality, unique art manufacturing and stringent quality control - this is the high-quality high-performance lenses Sigma's Global Vision. With two products from our range convinced the experts from Japan this year again, the jury recognized the TIPA Awards and won two awards were equal. The SIGMA 18-300mm F3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM Contemporary been named the winner in the category "Best Entry Level DSLR Lens", SIGMA 24mm F1.4 the new DG HSM kind brought in the category "Best Expert DSLR Prime Lens" the victory.

(in German) http://www.artikel-presse.de/gleich-doppelt-ausgezeichnet-sigma-gewinnt-tipa-awards-2015-fuer-global-vision-objektive.html

FS: Vintage Arri Zeiss lenses (with PL adapters) http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12448/fs-vintage-arri-zeiss-lenses-with-pl-adapters Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:29:51 -0700 robmneilson 12448@/talks/discussions Love these old lenses, but I'm thinking of financing a new camera and if I go through with the purchase these lenses will have to be sacrificed!

I have a set of Arri Zeiss lenses, in standard mount with PL adapters. The set is 24/32/50/85 all lenses have arri pitch gears installed, and 80mm fronts. The 50/85 are clickless, but the 24/32 have not been de-clicked. Glass is very nice, though the 24 has some cleaning marks on the front. These lenses range from the late 60's to early 70's and are the pre T* coating. I'll also throw in a set of Tiffen diopters +1, +2, +4.

You can view photos of the set here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1d97lhvt6...YCmieGkwa?dl=0 Also, you can view a promo spot shot with these lenses here: http://www.savagehenryfilms.com/port...cs-7-layer-set (sorry for the excessive flares, but the client gets what they asked for!)

Looking for $7500 for the set.

16-50mm F2-F2.8 Samsung lens http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11949/16-50mm-f2-f2.8-samsung-lens Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:54:25 -0700 Vitaliy_Kiselev 11949@/talks/discussions image


  • 16-50mm F2-2.8 S
  • 18 elements in 12 groups
  • 82.6°- 31.4° Angle of View
  • Optical Image Stabilizer
  • Around $1200

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85mm F1.4 Zeiss Otus lens, $4500 only http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/11202/85mm-f1.4-zeiss-otus-lens-4500-only Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:10:10 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 11202@/talks/discussions image



  • Focal length - 85 mm
  • Aperture - F1.4 – F16
  • Focusing range = 0,8m – ∞
  • 11 elements in 9 groups
  • Filter thread - M86 x 1.00
  • Dimensions (with caps) ZF.2: 138 mm (5.43‘‘)
  • Weight ZF.2: 1140g ZE: 1200g
  • Camera mounts - F Mount (ZF.2) and EF Mount (ZE)

The Otus 1.4/85 will be available worldwide with the F-mount (ZF.2) or EF-mount (ZE) from mid-September. The expected recommended retail price is €3,360.50* or US$ 4,490* (excl. VAT).

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FS: Complete set of primes w. case and a GH-2 included http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12478/fs-complete-set-of-primes-w.-case-and-a-gh-2-included Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:02:26 -0700 allenswrench 12478@/talks/discussions Hi everyone, I am selling my set of primes: * Noktor 12mm, T1,6 * Canon 24mm F2,8 * Canon 28mm F2 * Canon 35mm F1,8 * Canon 50mm F1,4 * Canon 85mm F1,8 The following is also included: * Panasonic GH2 camera included with a 64GB SanDisk (85Mb write) media, charger and 2 batteries * Pelicase 1500 case with a lifetime warranty * Step up rings and caps on all lenses * 4/3 adapter on every lens for quick swap (except the 12mm which is 4/3 native). * Variable ND filter All the lenses are in great condition, please see attached photos. This is the E-bay listing: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/171693907663?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 I will ship it for free in the EU, Including the GH-2 camera box if you wish. I am willing to offer a better price for the members of this forum, please contact me if interested, or if you have any questions. Please see my other two listings as well, if you are looking for a GF-2 or a 20mm pancake.

FS: SLR Magic 12mm Gear (for V1 and V2) http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12658/fs-slr-magic-12mm-gear-for-v1-and-v2 Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:17:49 -0600 thougts2uk 12658@/talks/discussions Hi Guys,

I am selling my SLR Magic 'official' FF Gear.

Including delivery $25 USD.

As new only been used on 2 shoots.


please email me directly; stuart.howe@gmail.com

12-32mm Panasonic m43 lens, aka little gem http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8466/12-32mm-panasonic-m43-lens-aka-little-gem Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:07:42 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 8466@/talks/discussions image




  • 8 elements in 7 groups (3 aspherical lenses, 1ED lens)
  • MEGA O.I.S.)
  • 7 diaphragm blades / Circular aperture diaphragm
  • Minimum Aperture - F22
  • Closest Focusing Distance - 0.2m
  • Filter Size - φ37mm
  • Overall Length - 24mm
  • Weight - 70 g

Useful links:


35-100mm m43 small lens http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8465/35-100mm-m43-small-lens Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:20:40 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 8465@/talks/discussions image


  • Stabilizer - MEGA O.I.S
  • 7 bladed aperture
  • 12 lenses in 9 groups
  • 2 ED lenses, one aspheric
RJ Lens Turbo Booster Need help http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12615/rj-lens-turbo-booster-need-help Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:06:57 -0600 johnny001 12615@/talks/discussions Hi guys i have black magic pocket and set of yashica ml lenses Metabone is to expensive for me and i heard about RJ Lens Turbo Booster do they make it for yashica ml lenses i believe its its C/Y mount and where can i buy one cant find it any where and is ti as good as metabone

Thanks guys

SLR Magic 2x ANAMORPHIC lens http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4466/slr-magic-2x-anamorphic-lens Tue, 04 Sep 2012 15:35:25 -0600 slrmagic 4466@/talks/discussions Dear All,

We have received 4 email requests from members of this forum on the possibility of designing an Anamorphic lens. We had this thought for the past year and did a lot of research. There is one common request which is to have horizontal flares. The others requests did not have any common grounds. We came up with an idea for a 25mm f/3.2 1.35x or 35mm f/3.2 1.35x Anamorphic lens for micro four thirds. Shooting at 16:9 would give a 2.40:1 anamorphic output. Just before we decided to go ahead with the project we had a second thought. 2 Years ago we asked openly on dpreview.com forum for what photographers wanted and the general consensus was our SLR Magic HyperPrime 12mm T1.6 lens.


It did not fulfill the needs and wants of everyone but we made what most people agreed on by means of a discussion. It ended up being a popular lens that we still are having problems meeting demand and we think it had a big part to do with asking photographers. If we did not ask around we probably made a 12mm f/2.8 lens. As it turned out quite well last time we want to make our next lens an open discussion again.

Here are some of the possible options we received and please feel free to throw in extra ideas. I hope people experienced with shooting in Anamorphic can also throw in ideas.

Anamorphic Adapter (1.33x, 1.5x, 1.75x, 2x) Dedicated mFT Anamorphic adapter for reasonable size Anamorphic adapter compatible with FF lenses 50mm f/2.8 Anamorphic lens (FF, APS-C, or mFT) Expected MSRP (Sad fact but it as direct correlation to IQ)

Kind rgds., SLR Magic Team

P.S. We will be at Photokina 2012 and would like to welcome any cinematographers with Anamorphic lens ideas to drop by our booth for idea exchange! We will be in Hall 3.1 B059

Cooke anamorphic http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12567/cooke-anamorphic Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:46:06 -0600 RRRR 12567@/talks/discussions Hey! Long time no see, been swamped in work - I thought I'd check in with some information that might be of interest as we shot a short last week on some wonderful new Cooke anamorphics. They took a huge chunk of the tech budget, however in the light of things I felt it was really worth it. Now, some purists say these and the Arri / Zeiss anamorphics are too clinical for their preference. In my opinion they are just right for keeping a safe production workflow when you can't always adapt the way you shoot to "the ideal" or when you have to adapt the way you shoot to what you shoot.

Let me recap. We shot the short on an fs700 coupled to an Odyssey 7q+. Wonderful, powerful couple, even if I'm not the biggest fan of Sony colors. I decided to stick between 2000 iso and 6400 iso for night shots, as we didn't have the budget for a lot of lighting equipment. 6400 iso noise is a bit bad, but workable. At most I could augment and mold natural light. We decided pretty early on that Anamorphic lenses would add a cinematic twist but also contribute to a sense of realism / immersion we were after in the production. Now, these new and very expensive anamorphics are sharp enough / corrected enough to be shot wide open and the mechanics are obviously top notch, making them as functional as any high quality spherical lens. Another things is; the short was shot almost entirely hand-held and when it comes to anamorphics, that can really skew things up badly if an adapter is only slightly off axis f.i.. I was a bit worried during the first day of shooting, as we didn't have a working live-grade setup for correcting the footage, however, I did not need to. These are perfectly corrected to not skew things up in a bad way, no matter how you shoot.

We ended up with the Cookes as the Arri/Zeiss ones had been booked by someone else, but they did not dissapoint one bit. After checking some tests online I chose the 40 and 75 as the former looked to have less CA / have better correction than the wider 32, while the 75 had some CA but allowed for different framing (The Arri Zeiss ones seem to be pretty identical, but the Cookes have some differences in-between them) and differences in distance emphasis, depending on location space. The lenses are massive, over 2 kg's, and I had to put together pieces from 2 different rigs to make it work, all in all we ended up with setup weighing in at around 10 kg's. After that, however, we hardly had to think any differently, though at the end of the shoot my eyes seemed to want to squeeze reality into 2x.

The bottom line, having lenses of this quality in the production allowed us to use anamorphics in the first place, to get a clear anamorphic look without the potential caveats of working with them, never taking time from the shoot. For a more extreme look, well, you may have that option with a bigger budget but then again, it's always possible to push things in the grade. (in doing both I retain control)

The lenses can be used at 2.3T (with sufficient sharpness), though I prefered to stay at 2.8 for most night exteriors. I'll add some sample frames here shortly, and update when I get into pregrade. If there are any surprises, I'll let you know.

15mm F1.7 Leica m43 lens topic http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/8456/15mm-f1.7-leica-m43-lens-topic Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:47:19 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 8456@/talks/discussions

Panasonic is announcing a commercialization of new digital interchangeable lens LEICA DG SUMMILUX 15mm / F1.7 ASPH. complying Micro Four Thirds System standard.


The LEICA DG SUMMILUX 15mm / F1.7 ASPH. is an excellent 15mm single focal length lens of F1.7 clearing LEICA’s stringent standard. It also features sophisticated exterior that matches the stylish design of the world’s smallest LUMIX GM digital single lens mirrorless (DSLM) camera.

In addition to “LEICA DG SUMMILUX 25mm / F1.4 ASPH.” and “LEICA DG MACRO-ELMARIT 45mm / F2.8 ASPH. / MEGA O.I.S.” which are already released to the market, Panasonic has also announced product commercialization of LEICA DG NOCTICRON 42.5mm / F1.2 to enhance the lineup of LEICA digital interchangeable lens, attracting professional photographers worldwide.

In the meanwhile, Panasonic is further expanding the range of LUMIX G digital interchangeable lens with the development of new LUMIX G VARIO telephoto zoom lens of 35-100mm in stylish, compact design that also matches the LUMIX GM camera.


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C mount Fujinon E6x14AM f/1.6 14-84mm : Conversion help & Sensor size http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12513/c-mount-fujinon-e6x14am-f1.6-14-84mm-conversion-help-sensor-size Tue, 03 Mar 2015 10:52:28 -0700 Fujinonner 12513@/talks/discussions Hi all,

So I have a Fujinon E6X14AM f/1.6 14-84mm TV Zoom lens that's C mount. What I'm trying to understand is what sensor sizes this lens will be compatible with for conversion. Can anyone help me out?

Also, I wanted to know if someone could link me to a site/document that explains which dimensions on the rear mount of a lens determine which sensor sizes it will cover.

Your help is much appreciated.


35-100mm F2.8 X lens topic http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/4610/35-100mm-f2.8-x-lens-topic Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:01:13 -0600 Vitaliy_Kiselev 4610@/talks/discussions image


  • Lens Construction - 18 elements in 13 groups (2 ED lenses , 1 UED lens)
  • Nano Surface Coating
  • Optical Image Stabilizer - POWER O.I.S.
  • Focal Length: f=35-100mm (35mm camera equivalent 70-200mm)
  • Aperture Type: 7 diaphragm blades / Circular aperture diaphragm
  • Maximum Aperture: F2.8
  • Minimum Aperture: F22
  • Closest Focusing Distance: 0.85m / 2.8ft
  • Maximum magnification: Approx. 0.1x / 0.2x (35mm camera equivalent)
  • Filter Size: 58mm / 2.3in
  • Max. Diameter: Approx 67.4mm / 2.7in
  • Overall Length: Approx. 99.9mm
  • Weight: Approx. 360g

Good to have separate one :-)

Reviews and previews:


Price: $1499

Available at:



Lomo 100mm in PL mount (OKC2-100-2 1991 serial number) http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/12496/lomo-100mm-in-pl-mount-okc2-100-2-1991-serial-number Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:04:00 -0700 robmneilson 12496@/talks/discussions It is with a heavy heart I sell my last remaining Lomo lens. It's a 100mm with a 1991 serial number, model OKC2-100-2.

Glass and mechanics are in good shape, just returned from being serviced at Super 16 Inc.

$2000 plus shipping.

14-35 f2 Olympus on GH2 - what a glass.. but! http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1821/14-35-f2-olympus-on-gh2-what-a-glass..-but Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:06:17 -0700 Meierhans 1821@/talks/discussions
Now comes the BUT:
As you can see on the picture this thing is huuge. And heavy. I bought the original Olympus adapter, but still the lense has about 4 mm play at the front. (XY.. not Z ;)

As soon as you touch follow focus things become shaky. I already phoned Oly if there was some kind of clamp to fix it to the rig... but nothing. The cam is mounted in cage, but this lense is simply so long and heave that its to much for the mount i guess.

Any ideas who makes such clamp for a specific diameter? I don´t want to do DIY on this, it should match as bought.

If you think this would suit better into an existing topic let me know.